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To: Red Steel
The evidence - the proof - is that Obama had a Kenyan father and derived his citizenship from his father makes him not a natural born citizen. Obama's allegiance is not to the United States but to some place else. The things that are manufactured are your posts and Obama's Hawaiian COLB.

So you can't produce any evidence as requested apart from what Obama wrote in his own memoir in 1995. Noted.

LoL! Obama didn't announce to run for the presidency until what - 2006. No one took the Kenyan clown seriously at the time. Every silly pundit thought someone like Hillary would be the DemoCrap nominee.

What do you mean no one took him seriously? Out of seven candidates, he was always the frontrunner of the the six who weren't Hillary. And in January 2008, he handily won the Iowa Caucus, almost tied Clinton in New Hampshire, and won overwhelmingly in South Carolina. Yet it *still* wasn't until June that anyone started his eligibility. And it wasn't Hillary, who had the most to gain from disqualifying him, who ever raised the issue.

I think my above explanation covers it quite well. No one gave the Kenyan a serious look and the government/Demo loving press gave him cover.

I see. The Republican President and members of Congress gave him cover? His Republican opponents in the election gave him cover? The folks at Fox gave him cover? Heck, you're suggesting that the folks at WorldNetDaily gave him cover? WND was always fully aware that his father was Kenyan, but even they never alleged that that fact alone made him ineligible at any time prior to the election.

The real question is Obama a NBC? -- and that's a resounding no - noway, nohow, nope. As for Bubba, irrelevant here and truly care for the particulars.

Sure it's relevant. I'm trying to understand what your theory of natural born citizenship is. You've stated that NBCs *must* have two citizen parents. You've also stated that they must not have dual citizenships at birth. But a child can have dual citizenships while having two citizen parents, or a child could be born of a non-citizen parent yet have only U.S. citizenship. You say that you're presenting the definitive definition of an NBC, but your definition's details are inconsistent over time. If the definition is so clear-cut, it should be straightforward to say whether someone with circumstances identical to Bubba's is a NBC or not. If you can't, it suggests a rather gaping flaw in your theory.

Educated huh, oooooh wow! I suppose you think they are going find Obama a NBC?

Indeed I do. In fact, you'll find that virtually all people who've gone to law school will say the same thing. My fellow associate is the most conservative person I know (he even bought Glenn Beck's latest book yesterday), he hates Obama with a passion, and even he admits that Obama is a natural born citizen. Are there any lawyers in this thread who claim that Obama's not?

917 posted on 10/13/2009 9:00:08 PM PDT by LorenC
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To: LorenC
My fellow associate is the most conservative person I know (he even bought Glenn Beck's latest book yesterday), he hates Obama with a passion

Unlike you, who loves the marxist POS and uses Media Matters and FactCheck talking points.

919 posted on 10/13/2009 9:04:57 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: LorenC

Did the attys you speak of actually get the confirmation from their sec of state(s)? What do they think of the fact that obama hired attorneys instead of asking sec of states to vouch for him?


922 posted on 10/13/2009 9:07:07 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: LorenC
So you can't produce any evidence as requested apart from what Obama wrote in his own memoir in 1995. Noted.

I gave you plenty of evidence at post # 484 and the proof that Obama is not a NBC is very apparent that you avoid his Kenyan/British citizenship. Obama can prove it in court if he's so right about his NBC status. But he's chicken because he knows he doesn't have a case. Bock bock bock....

933 posted on 10/13/2009 9:19:29 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: LorenC
Sure it's relevant. I'm trying to understand what your theory of natural born citizenship is. You've stated that NBCs *must* have two citizen parents.

That's Two US parents and the child born on US soil is a natural born citizen. I've been consistent from the beginning.

936 posted on 10/13/2009 9:25:56 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: LorenC
Indeed I do. In fact, you'll find that virtually all people who've gone to law school will say the same thing. My fellow associate is the most conservative person I know (he even bought Glenn Beck's latest book yesterday), he hates Obama with a passion, and even he admits that Obama is a natural born citizen. Are there any lawyers in this thread who claim that Obama's not?

Very all what think Obama is NBC. They must be the clowns who think Obama's COLB is real and have not given this matter much thought. He knows Beck and bought his book! Wow! -- and so what. You mean the lawyers who fund the Demo Party and Obama LoL!

Lawyers are number 1 ! Go Lawyers Go Obama! See below:

The Obama campaign has received a total of $116,984,670 from such Corporations.

The top contributing industries, to Barack Hussein Obama’s campaign are: [source]

Top Industries

1

Lawyers/Law Firms

$13,341,673

2

Misc Business

$10,261,541

3

Retired

$9,058,652

4

Securities & Investment

$6,715,680

By sector:

Unclassified (corporate) $17,648,491
Misc Business $15,663,211
Finance, Insurance & Real Estate $15,087,469
Lawyers & Lobbyists $13,456,386 [source]

34 % of Obama’s $117 corporate millions cannot be accounted for. Analysts can’t code their industry or sector. We’re talking $ 40 million we don’t know about.

http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=151

942 posted on 10/13/2009 9:32:04 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: LorenC

I claim that it cannot be determined until SCOTUS colors in some of the voids and ambiguities left by current precedent. To do that, you need discovery. What I am even less sure of is what remedy may be available if he were to be found ineligible. The effect would more likely be a complete political debilitation until a subsequent election.

BTW, as a matter of full disclosure, my opinion on this is no better than my opinion on some esoteric tax law. It’s not an area in which I would claim any special proficiency. That’s why I just watch all the technical fighting with detached amusement. There is no easy answer, especially for amateurs like us. And there can be no answer for anyone at all without factual transparency.

BTW #2, I wouldn’t take apparent consistency among Con Law profs as proof of anything other than the monolithic dominance of postmodern constitutionalism in the academy. Arguments from authority are second-rate. Just because all the professors believe in a flat earth doesn’t make Galileo an idiot.


950 posted on 10/13/2009 9:45:44 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer
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To: LorenC; pissant; BP2; MHGinTN; 444Flyer
You came to FR in 2006, post a handful of times. Came back TWO years later and post only on the BC threads, trying to protect Obama. You voted for him, no way in hell you will convince me otherwise. You don't post on any other threads, only the BC.


979 posted on 10/13/2009 10:49:11 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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