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To: Drew68
Leo's "two U.S. citizen parents" definition was invented specifically to be a definition that Obama couldn't possibly meet.

Leo's two U.S. citizen parents definition was founded on the basis of his claim that John Jay, who wrote the letter recommending that the President must be a "natural-born citizen," read Vattel (as indicated by other Jay writings), and that Vattel's work defined "natural born citizen" as having two citizen parents.

If you go back to when Vattel was first cited as THE authority on the issue, it all "started" with John Jay's letter and his reliance in other writings on Vattel.

Which is perfectly fine - until you learn that the English and American versions of Vattel's work during the drafting of the Constitution didn't have the term "natural-born citizen" in it, and that that phrase wasn't included until a later edition, published a decade after the Constitution was adopted.
733 posted on 10/13/2009 4:04:45 PM PDT by Sibre Fan
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To: Sibre Fan

“A decade after the original was written” Wasn’t this a time when the British were taking our sailors off of US ships and claiming they were British citizens. I’m thinking there would have been a lot of discussion and perhaps writing about the issue of citizenship during that period until about 1814.


740 posted on 10/13/2009 4:09:44 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the passport, school and birth records.)
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To: Sibre Fan
Leo's two U.S. citizen parents definition was founded on the basis of his claim that John Jay, who wrote the letter recommending that the President must be a "natural-born citizen," read Vattel (as indicated by other Jay writings), and that Vattel's work defined "natural born citizen" as having two citizen parents.

If you go back to when Vattel was first cited as THE authority on the issue, it all "started" with John Jay's letter and his reliance in other writings on Vattel.

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure nobody was citing Vattel as an authority for Obama's eligibility prior to September 2008, about three months after the allegations gained popularity. Then when Vattel and his quote were discovered, he was elevated to being the patron saint of birtherdom.

In other words, just as with the search for evidence supporting 'born in Kenya' took months to bear fruit, the 'two-citizen parent' theory circulated for months before anybody dug up Vattel's quote to support the theory. Not the other way around.

743 posted on 10/13/2009 4:10:52 PM PDT by LorenC
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