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To: jamese777
What part of “...Barack Obama is a natural born American citizen” don’t you understand?

I understand it. I just don't agree with it, nor believe some bureaucrat with an MD, (who reportedly took mulitple trys to get her license) is qualified to state it authoritatively. She didn't say what the requirement that could be verified by the "birth record", other than birth in Hawaii, alone that would prove someone was an NBC. At minimum it would take records or knowledge of the parents' citizenship at the time of the birth and that is not even on the long form from 1961 in Hawaii. Birthplace is though, that would give a clue, but would require further documentation, such as naturalization papers from before the birth. If the COLB is correct in every respect, which I highly doubt, his father was still not a US citizen, ever, but that would need to be checked via Visa records, or just be stipulated by all parties that BHO Sr, the presumed father, was not a citizen or even permanent legal resident, at the time of BHO II's birth, or ever.

1,012 posted on 10/14/2009 12:02:36 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
“She didn't say what the requirement that could be verified by the “birth record”, other than birth in Hawaii, alone that would prove someone was an NBC.”

Actually, her statement doesn't say that she verified O as being NBC. She says ‘the original vital records on file’ verify ‘Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen’.

““I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.”

Leo has shown that her statements and those from DoH leave some legal wriggle room, subject to interpretation and whether ‘on file’ is the same as ‘accepted’ or has a different legal meaning. Could someone have filed the DNC presidential nominee form, (the one where Pelosi certifies O as being qualified), with the DoH as a verifying document to O's vital records, thus making it an orginal vital record also? Just askin'.

1,070 posted on 10/14/2009 8:11:32 AM PDT by RebelTex
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To: El Gato

understand it. I just don’t agree with it, nor believe some bureaucrat with an MD, (who reportedly took mulitple trys to get her license) is qualified to state it authoritatively. She didn’t say what the requirement that could be verified by the “birth record”, other than birth in Hawaii, alone that would prove someone was an NBC. At minimum it would take records or knowledge of the parents’ citizenship at the time of the birth and that is not even on the long form from 1961 in Hawaii. Birthplace is though, that would give a clue, but would require further documentation, such as naturalization papers from before the birth. If the COLB is correct in every respect, which I highly doubt, his father was still not a US citizen, ever, but that would need to be checked via Visa records, or just be stipulated by all parties that BHO Sr, the presumed father, was not a citizen or even permanent legal resident, at the time of BHO II’s birth, or ever.


I don’t think you need an MD degree to look at a document and read what it says.
Dr. Fukino is an appointee of and serves at the pleasure of Governor Linda Lingle, a Republican who endorsed John McCain for President and spoke at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul. The Attorney General of Hawaii, Mark Bennett is also a Republican and Attorney General Bennett could seek a subpoena for Barack Hussein Obama II’s original birth documents at any time under Hawaii laws. The Attorney General has not chosen to seek such a subpoena.
The primary information that is required to establish natural born American status is birth within the territory of the United States. Barack Obama was born at 7:24 pm on Friday, August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii.
There is NO legal precedent for the birthplace of one’s father being determinative of US natural born status if the other parent is an American citizen. In fact, the issue of natural born American status with regard to eligibility to be president has never been adjudicated in any court of law and the Constitution itself is mute on the issue.
Thus far Justices Souter, Kennedy, Scalia and Roberts have all rejected hearing any eligibility lawsuit before the Supreme Court.


1,100 posted on 10/14/2009 10:27:45 AM PDT by jamese777
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