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Obama's peace shattered as dollar takes a pounding
WA Today (Western Australia) ^ | October 12, 2009 | Peter Hartcher

Posted on 10/12/2009 11:27:41 PM PDT by myknowledge

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To: element92

“If Bush did anything to help out during the 4 buck gasoline era, please enlighten me.”

Well, dontcha know it’s all Mr. Bush’s fault. It’s the fault of evil Republicans. It’s all the fault of capitalism. It’s the fault of greed, of a lack of social justice and a lack of regard for the environment.

It has nothing to do with the hate for oil companies and oil and oil profits, and distaste for good lending practices by DEmocrats.

IMHO


41 posted on 10/13/2009 4:10:20 AM PDT by ripley
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To: myknowledge; All
Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.
42 posted on 10/13/2009 4:28:59 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.)
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To: allmost

look. being a Republican is great, in theory.

the problem is, other Republicans,
tend to do thing
nobody wants..

examples.
Perry’s trans Texas corridor
nobody wants that

Bush’s 300 year adventure in Afghanistan
nobody wants that

anybody with two or more working brain cells
knows the Democrats are going to milk the Afghanistan misadventure like Watergate
which they have already have,IMO

I’m tired of helping filthy ragheads

Bush is the best thing to happen to democrats
since Oswald gave 30 years of sympathy
vote to the democrats


43 posted on 10/13/2009 4:58:06 AM PDT by element92
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To: Spartan79

“And the party of Sarah Palin and George Bush, of course, was responsible for the deterioration in the US budget over the preceding eight years.”

How Sarah Palin was responsible for the US budget over those 8 years, he doesn’t explain. And the responsibility of Congress for setting the budget, in particular, the Democrat-led Congress, he doesn’t seem to want to understand.


44 posted on 10/13/2009 5:11:05 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: element92
look. being a Republican is great, in theory.

Just to be clear I'm registered Independent. Find myself voting against D's but like to look at each option every time.
I've got little to say about Perry. East coast here. As`far as Afghanistan goes you never answered post #40 so no solution was given on your part for me to respond to. Bush was weak in a few critical ways yes, but the alternatives were always worse by the time the general elections occurred. I'm still curious as to your answer to post #40.
45 posted on 10/13/2009 5:11:54 AM PDT by allmost
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To: ripley

its not his fault.
but he didn’t do anything.

I would have,

reduced military joyflying.

relaxed Carter era gasoline laws


46 posted on 10/13/2009 5:25:04 AM PDT by element92
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To: allmost

Iraq, Astan, and Pstan,
seem to have similar design problems.
.................................................
the borders needed to be re-drawn.
..................................................
but doing the logical thing,
was not the wishes of Saudi
or Ankara,.who are Bush’s masters.
.............................................

your Q.
break up Iraq into 3 parts.
Afghanistan into at least 2.

...................


47 posted on 10/13/2009 5:43:10 AM PDT by element92
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To: myknowledge
And the party of Sarah Palin and George Bush, of course, was responsible for the deterioration in the US budget over the preceding eight years.

A not so subtle nudge to link Sarah Palin with the GW Bush brand of republican.

But, the author does highlight one of the reasons I utterly despise the latest versions of the republican party since Reagan.

Fiscal responsibility, low taxes and responsible government should be what we attribute to the Republican party.

Instead, the author can get away with saying the republicans (Bush and the rest) are "responsible for the deterioration in the US budget over the preceding eight years." Perhaps not 100% accurate, but close enough.

I hope the attempt to link Sarah Palin to this mess won't stick. She has enough guilt by association she's not responsible for to overcome.

48 posted on 10/13/2009 5:44:00 AM PDT by GBA
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To: element92

I’m still waiting on an answer to post #40.


49 posted on 10/13/2009 5:50:06 AM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost

to 40

leave Astan

our economy corrodes,
more slowly.


50 posted on 10/13/2009 5:54:57 AM PDT by element92
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To: element92
I have absolutely no idea how you can connect the internal destructive economic policies with Afghanistan. There is very little, if any, connection. You also say let's create five nations and ‘get out’ simultaneously. Completely incompatible concepts being opposed to something and wanting to advance it to the point of ripping countries to shreds.
51 posted on 10/13/2009 6:03:32 AM PDT by allmost
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To: GeronL
I think a story about federal deficits probably should NOT be blaming someone who is not and has not been in the federal government.

I think the point is that he sees Ms. Palin as using this as political ammunition, without being serious about the actual fiscal aspects of the problem.

I would agree with him on this about Sarah Palin, and more generally: I don't think politicians of any stripe have been serious about the problem except as a mainly political tactic. As we've seen since Roosevelt's time at least, once a politician is in office it's always easier to spend money than to save it.

52 posted on 10/13/2009 6:13:50 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: allmost
I have absolutely no idea how you can connect the internal destructive economic policies with Afghanistan.

In a sense, they're "the same" in the sense that there's no good solution, only bad ones to choose from. To choose any of them will create very difficult new problems.

The puzzle is to find the least bad solution in each case; and to be honest, the cost of waging the WOT is a significant contributor to the deficit, so you can't just say they're separate issues.

Pulling out of the WOT would be a bad thing, of course -- I don't think we can do so without seriously strengthening the hands of the Islamofascists. And we can't forget that those folks live in places that produce a lot of oil: to let them back up would probably give them influence over oil supplies in one way or another, which has its own dire economic consequences.

I don't know that there's any pleasant way out of this mess....

53 posted on 10/13/2009 6:21:18 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
The option aren't good. Afghanistan was forced on us on by the Taliban shielding al qaeda after 9/11. The monetary cost of the WOT is relatively small with regards to the current economic mess we're in though. The fiscally unmanageable issues are ideological and systemic.
54 posted on 10/13/2009 6:29:34 AM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost
The monetary cost of the WOT is relatively small with regards to the current economic mess we're in though.

They've added something on the order of a couple hundred billion to the deficit every year, which amounts to about $1.5T since the WOT began, so it's not "small." One can reasonably argue that it's necessary, too.

Still, you're right that it's not the major source of difficulty, and this year's deficit, not to mention the projected batshit-insane deficits over the next 10 years completely dwarf anything the WOT has contributed.

I agree, too, that the issues are systemic, and I think it pervades the thinking of pretty much everybody in the country, including you and me.

My diagnosis is "decadence." We've had the luxury of success for so long that we forget about where money actually comes from. It's easier to be "nice" than it is to be responsible. It's easier to take care of needy people than to hold them responsible for their actions.

55 posted on 10/13/2009 8:32:25 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
The combined Afghan and Iraqi conflicts monetarily have cost, on average, a little over $100 billion per year.
Page 1 CRS Report for Congress Prepared for Members and Committees of Congress The Cost of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Other Global War on Terror Operations Since 9/11
Fiscal year 2008 the Fed spent $3 trillion. The math justifies, IMO, calling the financial aspects of the WOT minor. The cost of being attacked here at home would dwarf that expenditure many times over. Not taking into consideration the more important aspect of human pain, suffer, and loss of life.

Can't argue with the decadence aspect here. I used the term entitlements earlier trying to summarize the fed aspect of a freeloader society.
56 posted on 10/13/2009 9:08:13 AM PDT by allmost
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To: myknowledge

Because Canada and Mexico would refuse to get sucked down by the USA


57 posted on 10/13/2009 1:00:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: element92

“reduce military joy flying...”

it’s called training.

IMHO


58 posted on 10/13/2009 1:41:09 PM PDT by ripley
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