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To: FrdmLvr
earned Columbus the honor of having discovered the new world.

Let me guess. You're not a history buff.

Not only did he NOT "discover" the 'new world' - he already knew that North and South America was here. He knew the history and had the maps.

The Vikings had a community of 30,000 in Greenland 1,500 years before Columbus. Leif, son on Eric the Red, sailed up and down the north American coast - they had winter camps in the south of of Cape Cod and explored up the Hudson, sailed the length of the continant - had a loosing battle with the natives on the shores of Mt.Desert Island in Maine.

The Vikings used maps by Zeno, of a family of cartographers.

A hundred years before Columbus "sailed the Ocean Blue", Sir Henry Sinclair, 1st Earl of Orkney (Scotland) sailed with a large fleet of ships to land he ALREADY owned in Nova Scotia, to establish a place to live out of the encroaching reach of the English King.

Columbus married into the family of descendants of Zeno - remember him - and knowledge of prior voyages and the continents, and, it is postured, maps.

He set out to sail BETWEEN the continents and thus to the back end of the spice rich Indies...not knowing that Central America was in the way. Indeed, he first encountered the islands and thought he had made it to the Indies - and thus, even now, we refer to the Native Americans as "Indians".

All that was before he launched a genocide, wiping out countless thousands of "Indians" = slaughtering them any way that came handy - being torn apart by his mastiffs or burned on stakes.

His third voyage ended in his being taken back to Spain in chains, on the order of the Queen.

Those are just some highlights.

So just why do we teach kids that he discovered America? And why do we so honor him?

It's akin to all the decades the schools taught, come Thanksgiving, and some still do, with school kids dressed in black and white - that the Pilgrims wore black and white clothing, erroneously mixing them up with the Boston Puritans...

The real histories are available. I'm not amused that even teachers don't get curious enough to do a bit of research on what they teach.

33 posted on 10/12/2009 8:17:39 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" LINCOLN)
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To: maine-iac7
The Vikings had a community of 30,000 in Greenland 1,500 years before Columbus.

There were Vikings in North America at the time of Julius Caesar? Really?

36 posted on 10/12/2009 8:25:54 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: maine-iac7

As a retired teacher I can tell you that teachers, as group, don’t read much. One survey affirmed what I saw. The average teacher reads about one/two books a year that have nothing to do with classwork, and of what they do read in connection with this is pretty thin gruel.


37 posted on 10/12/2009 8:30:32 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: maine-iac7
Columbus was definitely selling faulty geography and maths. The question is did he do it knowingly?

Using simple Trig, Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the Earth around 600BC. His number was amazingly close to reality: about 26,000 miles, + or-. Columbus somehow got the units wrong and claimed that the Earth was only 13,000 miles around the middle.

When he sought project funds from the Portuguese, they politely tried to straighten him out, before kicking him out of the country. The Spaniards also knew the ancient numbers, but they risked very little when they backed Columbus up and didn't even argue about Columbus' cut of the profits, figuring there would be none, They thought that if indeed they saw him again, he might add to their knowledge of the Western Seas.

Ferdinand and Isabella were super busy. They had just kicked the Moors out of Spain in that very year, and Columbus was just another back burner project; their medieval version of a very low budget space program.

48 posted on 10/13/2009 7:02:58 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Congratulations Obama Voters! You are not prejudiced. Unpatriotic, maybe. Dumb definitely.)
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To: maine-iac7

Columbus did indeed discover new land on the continent. What Columbus did was to open the “New World” to the Europeans, who explored it and many contemporary Europeans did consider it a discovery.


53 posted on 10/13/2009 12:58:57 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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