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To: etraveler13
"The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Yup.

"Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

•Anyone born inside the United States *"

Yup.

"* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision."

Yup.

Well, we seem to have made some progress. Since none of the text you've posted here requires both parents be citizens if he is born in the United States, and he's not the child of a diplomat, then I take it you now agree that if he was born in Hawaii he is a natural born citizen.

1,341 posted on 10/09/2009 12:01:32 PM PDT by mlo
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To: mlo

No, I don’t agree, his father was not a diplomat of the United State, rather of Kenya.


On his return to Kenya in 1965, Obama Sr. was hired by an oil company and then served as an economist in the Kenyan Ministry of Transport and later became senior economist in the Kenyan Ministry of Finance.[27]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama,_Sr.

I do not personally believe that Obama was born in Hawaii, rather Kenya.


http://americangrandjury.org/lucas-smith-affidavit-now-filed-with-the-us-district-court-obama-kenyan-bc

I also contend that he was adopted by Lolo Soetero, and his name changed to Barry Soetero.


Obama arrived in Indonesia at about the age of five according to most accounts, although it was possible he arrived at the age of six, according to a few sources. If Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama at age five or younger, then Obama would automatically have become an Indonesian citizen according to the country’s laws in the 1960’s, which stipulated any child aged five or younger adopted by an Indonesian father is immediately granted Indonesian citizenship upon completion of the adoption process.

According to Indonesian legal experts, only Indonesian citizens could attend state-operated public schools.

Assuming the adoption was in order, Soetoro remains the legal father of Obama even after the divorce. He is still Obama’s legal father. Obama may very well have gone to the courts to correct his birth certificate but it amount to a name change only.
Indonesian Law
“The Indonesian Citizenship Law states that children’s citizenship is derived solely from the citizenship of the father. Children of citizen mothers and foreign fathers are considered foreigners and require visas to remain in the country until the age of 18, at which time they may apply for citizenship. They are prohibited from attending public schools and must attend private, international schools, which usually are more expensive.”

U. S. State Department
Sister
Maya Obama’s half-sister, Maya Kassandra Soetoro, was born on August 15, 1970, in Jakarta, Indonesia. Anna registered her birth as “born in Honolulu” shortly after her birth, as well. Maya would have a State of Hawaii Certification of Live Birth (COLB), just like the one Obama posted on the Internet.

Maya would also attend the private Punahou School.

It was Maya, who has said that Obama was legally adopted by her father, Lolo Soetoro, and Maya also said, “There was always a joke between my mom and Barack that he would be the first black president.”
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaFamily.htm


I currently believe, when/until evidence changes it, that he traveled outside the United States on a passport other than a US passport. I also believe until/if that he attended Occidental College under a foreign Exchange scolarship, and did not legally change his name back to Barack(sp) Hussien Obama II legally, and did so illegally, while at Harvard, as witnessed by a friend who suggested it, quoted in his own book.
From link above:
In 1980, a few of his friends at Occidental College had already begun to call him Barack, and he’d come to prefer that. The way his half sister, Maya, remembers it, Obama returned home at Christmas in 1980, and there he told his mother and grandparents: “no more Barry.”


I also contend that he just may not be a US citizen at all. There are no records showing him denouncing his Indonesian citizenship, or facts that it went away because of his inaction to sustain it, nor is there evidence that he reasserted his rights as a US citizen after doing so, so he would then fall back to his Kenyan citizenship.
I believe that his grandmother correctly stated that she and his half sister witnessed his birth in Kenya,

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/obama-kenyan-birth-certificate-august-3-2009-obama-kenyan-evidence-sarah-obama-2008-reports-mombassa-consistent-august-4-1961/

that the administrator in Kenya stated that it was common knowledge that he was born there, and that they intended to erect a monument to their “native son”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15hr-JHG-pA

Those are my opinions, and thanks for asking.

I will add, that what I posted is most current, and NOT what was in place in 1961 as clarified in the section I posted:
§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

Title 8 of the US Code as currently published by the US Government reflects the laws passed by Congress as of Jan. 5, 2009, and it is this version that is published here.
further:
The most recent Classification Table update that we have noticed was Tuesday, September 22, 2009


In the case of Barack Obama, that was August 4, 1961. The law stated that the U.S. citizen must have lived in the U.S. for ten [10] years [obama’s Mom did] but five [5] of those years had to be after the age of fourteen [14]. Fourteen [14] and five [5] = nineteen [19] – Obama’s Mom was “only” eighteen [18] when she delivered Obama – therefore, she was “not” old enough to convey U.S. “natural born” staus to Obama.
http://www.obamacrimes.com/


1,346 posted on 10/09/2009 1:16:33 PM PDT by etraveler13
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