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To: etraveler13
People really need to calm down about this. The Constitution, as written, does not specify any details as to what makes one a natural born citizen. Placing ones own interpretation atop that does not make one a more faithful defender of the Constitution than anyone else.

Whatever Vatel said or didn't say, meant or didn't mean, is not determinative. Believe with all your heart and soul that the elite select of natural born citizens simply must have a citizen father. Fine. The fact remaining on the table is this—everyone knew Obama didn't have a citizen father when he was a candidate. This country let him run, and he won a clear majority of the votes cast. Any reasonable person who who has spent any time in the legal profession knows there is absolutely zero chance that a court, Supreme or otherwise, will overturn that based on a new and novel interpretation of a phrase that most people have always accepted (with ample common law precedent) as meaning simply “born here.”

If you can prove he wasn't born here, great. Run with it. But this citizen father stuff is an obvious nonstarter. And saying that doesn't make one a RINO, an Obot or a troll. It makes one conservative in the truest and most meaningful sense of the word—facing and accepting reality.

1,335 posted on 10/09/2009 11:31:41 AM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative

Quote: This country let him run, and he won a clear majority of the votes cast.


This was based, I believe, on fraud. It was presumed that he had been properly Vetted. He, it appears was not, and it was obstructed from the public purposefully.

The American public proceeded in good faith. When it was discovered that their good faith was abused, the rest insued.

Hence your last paragraph. I agree, we are attempting to right a wrong, and put our country back on the right path, nothing more. What is interesting is that we are being prevented, by obscure procedure, to accomplish this discovery by a few, who, with just a little bit of care, can guide the judicial process to clear this up once and for all.

Secondly, one has to wonder, why it is, that this needs to happen at all. Was it OUR failing that he was not properly vetted? Or the fault of those we entrusted to do their jobs with honor for the good of our country, and to uphold the Consitutional responsibilities they were entrusted with?

The crisis which is being continued as a result of Obama not being honest (Mr. Transparency) with the american people, it why we are here, in this position, today.

That sir, is accepting and facing the reality of this situation.


1,337 posted on 10/09/2009 11:42:32 AM PDT by etraveler13
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