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To: etraveler13
Oh, gee-whiz...perhaps the minds of our Founding Fathers???

Oh golly...we're continuously told by Birthers that the definition was planted in the minds of our Founding Fathers because of what Vattel wrote. But according to the information posted on this Website none of the versions of Vattel's book available to the Founding Fathers had that definition in it. So if the Founding Fathers meant for a natural-born citizen to be defined as one having a U.S. citizen father then where did they get that from?

1,321 posted on 10/09/2009 10:32:51 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Please don’t lump me into any particular group, thank you.
I have my own opinions, derived by my own study of relevant issues. My own definition of what a birther is, is inherent in its name, the demand for the President of the United States to be qualified under the terms of the Consititution.
Any, and all other issues, are separate.


Those who oppose the words of the Constitution, and its strict adherance to who can occupy the Highest office in the land, are obstructionists, and should proceed, under the law, to change it, if they so desire.

At this point in time, the constitution is specific. Enough evidence, both circumstantial, or more, has been presented to the courts. Finding the right methodology to submit to the courts, the right words to elicit a hearing of facts, has been the issue, not if the specific facts are incorrect IMO.

Therefore many attempts have been made and have failed, not for what is contained in those facts, rather for the correct method to submit them acceptable to the courts.

It is my opinion that there is a concerted effort for this information NOT to be found out. It is also my opinon that we are, as a nation in peril, as a result of what this particular man, with the support of a “one sided”, partisan congress and senate are doing. The appointments made will live long past his presidency if it continues.

It is further my opinion that his impeachement, is not an option, he needs to be “removed”, and all the work he has done, reversed. Much damage is already irrepairable, some can be salvaged, but the lions share of national defense, the economy, health care, and security can be addressed and the danger minimized or reversed.
It is clear to me, that at the present pace, we become vulnerable to attack on several fronts, each crippling to our country, and I “feel” that there will be a point, that if the members of congress and senate, and the executive branch do not listen to the people of the nation, that the nation will respond to save itself. I hope that will not be necessary. I want the SCOTUS to do its job, and enforce the constitution.

These are my opinions, I don’t feel the need to defend them to anybody. They may change, based on what I learn, but as of now, that is where they are.

It appears to me, that you think of our founding fathers (based on your statements) as a bunch of bumbling fools. I disagree, and feel that they were smart, impassioned, dedicated patriots, forging a new nation, bent on not repeating the mistakes of the past(Great Britian), and creating a form of governance that evokes maximum freedom, and the ability to succeed and grow, without the burden of government intervention into their businesses, religous beliefs, and personal lives.

To do this, those that represent us, must hold certain values and beliefs that are harmonious with our nation, both to defend it, and support it, but also to help others and expand a democratic way of life that helps everyone.
I do think we need to heal ourselves before we try to help others.

You have to catch the ball first, before you can throw it...


1,324 posted on 10/09/2009 11:01:07 AM PDT by etraveler13
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