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To: Salvavida

Which you have no biblical support in the veneration of Mary, and is one of the reasons why orthodox Christians cannot embrace the RCC.

Scripture alone.

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and where in scripture is that stated ?
“scripture alone”?

and as an Orthodox Christian I don’t understand your comment that there is no veneration of Theotokos.
thank you.


38 posted on 10/06/2009 8:15:25 AM PDT by catroina54
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To: catroina54

I love Scripture because is puts away pride. It humbles those that study it. And as a result, it makes you free (Jn 8:31-32). You can either ignore it (at your own peril), or study it, knowing that it is inspired by God to communicate to you.

The word “trinity” isn’t in the Bible either, but the concept of a triune God certainly is. Likewise, the concept of “Scripture Alone” is certainly there, unless of course you trust men to start making up the rules. There is far too much Scripture that speaks to this without have to verbalize the words “Scripture alone”. Like all of Psalm 119 for starters.

Now getting back to Mary: there isn’t even the CONCEPT of (1) the need to worship Mary in the Bible, nor (2) any supposed power that she has today in any type of intercession.

1- Jesus dealt with this early.

Luk 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
Luk 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

2- Mary recognized her need for a Saviour (Lk 1:46-49).

3- Mary had children after Jesus was born (Mt 13:54-56).

Joseph was told to take Mary home as his wife (Mt 1:19-20), which he did, and had normal sexual relations with her after the Lord was born (Mt 1:24-25).

4- If Mary could do ANYTHING for a Christian, I would expect it to be somewhere in God’s Word. Not there.

5- By the way: what was Jesus’ mission?

There is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (1 Tim 2:5).

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (Jn 14:6).

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12).

So where does a venerated Mary fit? No where.

If we hold that the Word of God is infallible and therefore, absolutely reliable, and relevent as the only universal truth to all peoples of all ages: Why rely on anything from sinful man?

Now check the history of the RCC.
It’s riddled with bad doctrine, its persecution of the real church (Novations, Montanist, Donatists, Priscillians, Waldenses, Catheri, Anabaptists....and many more)... all because they wanted to have the Bible in there own language, and memorize it in order to apply it to their lives. Even Napolean made an observation on that. Inquisition? Crusades? Real nice. Exactly opposite of what the church is called to do. We’re still paying for that bit of genius. Indulgences? Purgatory? Nice. Not biblical.

Why did it all happen? Because the RCC walked away from the Bible. And here’s the rub: the Bible doesn’t allow for the state structure, so there’s no way they could have God in authority. There’s too much money and power to be had.

The Bible says that the very words of God are more sure than the audible voice of God (2 Pe 1:16-21, compared with Mt 17:1-9). This is a critical point. All “experiences” are to be judged by an infallible standard which is greater than any experience. Remember, Peter was at the transfiguration, and actually heard God’s voice; making the point that sinful man can ill-afford to adopt anything other than Scripture on matters concerning God’s revelation to man.

Theotokos? Never heard of him. Not a lot of veneration going on there. Orthodox means fundamental (the basics). It doesn’t mean Greek Orthodox (proper noun- capitalization).

Words mean stuff.

In Christ,

Salva


53 posted on 10/07/2009 8:59:50 PM PDT by Salvavida (Restoring the U.S.A. starts with filling the empty pew at a local Bible-believing church.)
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