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A Letter from a Child (Thomas Sowell)
Townhall.com ^ | October 6, 2009 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 10/05/2009 9:05:59 PM PDT by jazusamo

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To: Colvin

Religious based schools can be pretty picky about teachers following the tenets of their respective faiths. On the other hand I’ve heard of Catholic schools headed by atheist priests. (Don’t ask me how the Roman Catholic church tolerates that. I don’t go to one.)


21 posted on 10/05/2009 9:59:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I agree with both of your posts. I hope Dr. Sowell didn’t discourage the kid who wrote to him. Any fifth-grader who knows who Dr. Sowell is and wants to write to him has a lot on the ball. Most of kid’s classmates probably wrote to people like Tom Brady or Britney Spears.


22 posted on 10/05/2009 10:00:16 PM PDT by Huntress (Who the hell are you to tell me what's in my best interests?)
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To: Huntress
All it takes is only one Johnny in every class. Lets hope he is still out there.
23 posted on 10/05/2009 10:03:03 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’m sure it is, but my points is that I like kids like that. Docility and constant compliance bore me. I like a kid with some spirit.


24 posted on 10/05/2009 10:03:07 PM PDT by Huntress (Who the hell are you to tell me what's in my best interests?)
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To: Huntress

points=point

I’m tired and need to get some sleep.


25 posted on 10/05/2009 10:04:53 PM PDT by Huntress (Who the hell are you to tell me what's in my best interests?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
This sounds like an apocryphal story.

It goes back to Abe Lincoln.

26 posted on 10/05/2009 10:06:49 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
We don’t know from this if the letter that Mr. Sowell got was from a program that was abusing school time.

They don't have civics classes in the fifth grade do they? It was centuries ago but the first class I had of that nature was ninth grade social studies.

27 posted on 10/05/2009 10:53:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (Everybody knows it's a spotted dog...)
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To: jazusamo

Thank you for posting this...!


28 posted on 10/05/2009 10:54:38 PM PDT by abigail2
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To: pandoraou812

Very good article. Thanks for the ping.


29 posted on 10/05/2009 10:56:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Everybody knows it's a spotted dog...)
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To: TigersEye

There were rudiments of civics in the fifth or sixth grade that I remember. By that point we were discussing the United Nations and how it is supposed to operate.


30 posted on 10/05/2009 11:14:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Now that you mention it we would get a monthly “newletter” published by the UN. I forget the name it went by. Even then, mid ‘60s, I thought “what is this crapola?” lol


31 posted on 10/05/2009 11:37:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (Everybody knows it's a spotted dog...)
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To: jazusamo

Thanks for the ping. I LOVE Sowell’s response, of writing back to the parents instead of the kids. My testimony on the woes of teachers indoctrinating kids — see my FReeper homepage!


32 posted on 10/06/2009 12:06:41 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: jazusamo
>"The mindset that sees children in school as an opportunity for teachers to impose their own notions, instead of developing the child's ability to think for himself or herself, is a dangerous distortion of education."

Just think about the average. What use have they for you?

Forget about your silly whim. It doesn't fit the plan.

33 posted on 10/06/2009 1:13:29 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Ifanationexpects tobe ignorantandfree,inastateofcivilization,itexpects whatneverwas andnever will be)
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To: jazusamo

Hmmm. I would have written the child back. But, I wouldn’t have answered the question for him. I would have asked “What would you do to fix the economy? If you don’t know the answer, research and study until you do. When you have finished, write me back and explain your answer.”

It is the child that will have to live with the economy.


34 posted on 10/06/2009 3:08:25 AM PDT by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: jazusamo
Correct...Sowell should be required reading in all middle schools and above.

This type of statement proves Mr. Sowell's point. Children should only be required to read Sowell only if they are also required to read Keynes as well.

The point is that children should be taught to think. Not get indoctrinated. That is true of conservative principles as much as liberal ones.


35 posted on 10/06/2009 3:19:57 AM PDT by F. dAnconia (We say: "It is, therefore, I want it. They say: "I want it, therefore it is")
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To: jazusamo

Another good one. Thanks for the ping jaz.


36 posted on 10/06/2009 3:31:24 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
We don’t know from this if the letter that Mr. Sowell got was from a program that was abusing school time.

Yes we do. A 5th grader is first being taught that famous people have the answers. Second, any kind of real response to her question from Sowell would be beyond her independent ability to evaluate.

The letter doesn't appear long enough or complex enough to be a writing exercise for 5th graders, nor, would there be much value in summarizing a response that she didn't understand. Perhaps the students will "share with the class" what their response was, a response that the other kids wouldn't understand either.

Nope, can't find anything redeeming here.

37 posted on 10/06/2009 3:57:13 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: F. dAnconia; jazusamo; listenhillary
Correct...Sowell should be required reading in all middle schools and above.
This type of statement proves Mr. Sowell's point. Children should only be required to read Sowell only if they are also required to read Keynes as well.
No, Dr. Sowell's point is that children should not be assigned PhD thesis topics, and teachers should not presume to assign celebrities - even such a wise and well-meaning celebrity as Professor Sowell - composition topics by practicing on their sympathy for a child who has been given an assignment by his teacher.
Why Don't Students Like School:
A Cognitive Scientist Answers Questions About How the Mind Works
and What It Means for the Classroom
by Daniel T. Willingham
is a book written to teachers, and it panders some to the politics you envision when you think of teachers. But it makes excellent points about its subject matter. One point being that you have to walk before you can run. When children are first exposed to a topic they simply do not know enough about it to be able to have an original thought about it, and to give them assignments requiring creativity is just plain silly.

In fact, I see in it a planted similarity to another practice which the author condemns - telling a student he is smart. He says that it actually reduces the intelligence of a student to do that, and makes an excellent case for that claim. What it actually does is to flatter the child, and make the child arrogant and less inclined to do the hard work of actually thinking - and it is thinking alone which contributes to the ability to think. So the child becomes less diligent if told that he is smart, and becomes less smart as he becomes less diligent. Telling the child to do creative research when he barely knows what the subject is differs little from simply telling the child he is smart. It is flattery in either case.

Tho he mentions a particular letter from a particular child, Sowell mentions that it was not the only such letter he has received, and the response he gave reads like it could be a form letter for such occasions. He responds to the parents of the children who write as a way of communicating with the teachers who make such presumptuous assignments.


38 posted on 10/06/2009 4:24:43 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (SPENDING without representation is tyranny. To represent us you have to READ THE BILLS.)
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To: jazusamo
My 8th grade History Teacher, Mr Foster, began our first day of class by announcing,

" I am a teacher and it is my job to teach you to LEARN!

He encouraged us to read the daily newspaper, a magazine, (Time Newsweek or whatever) and BOOKS!

I grew up in North Jersey and Mr Foster took us on several class trips to New York City. We went to the Zoo, the Museum and to Broadway to see "The Most Happy Fellow". These trips taught us what culture meant and we should seek out and enjoy all these aspects of our life.

We need more Foster's and Prof Sowell is right in step with him.

39 posted on 10/06/2009 4:25:45 AM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae Cum Ita Sunt - Julius Caesar "Since these things are so!">)
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To: jazusamo

To sum it up, Tom, some teachers aren’t doing their job.

What if a fireman didn’t do his job, or a soldier his? What if the air traffic controller didn’t do his job, or the pilot (like the two who were fired for fighting in the aisle instead of flying the plane) recently?

I commend, on the other hand, the teachers who are TEACHING conscientiously and accurately .hose who are there to teach so that tomorrow’s adults will be armed in the battles to come.


40 posted on 10/06/2009 4:57:13 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion never saved anyone, and never will.)
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