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To: TChris

Forget about what I think. Everyone says we run a trade deficit with China, Japan and others. Are you going to dispute this?

Your Hawaii example is absurd.
Discuss trade deficits and surpluses between nations. Not some trade deficit you think Hawaii has


144 posted on 10/08/2009 3:51:12 PM PDT by dennisw (It's not called the Wheel. It's called the Carousel.)
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To: dennisw
Your Hawaii example is absurd.
Discuss trade deficits and surpluses between nations.

More absurd than, say, discussing California and Arnold Schwarzenegger?

148 posted on 10/08/2009 4:11:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dennisw
Forget about what I think. Everyone says we run a trade deficit with China, Japan and others. Are you going to dispute this?

Nope, I'm not. But the problem is that the term doesn't mean what you think it means.

The TRADE and the DEBT are two different things. A TRADE deficit does not equal a BUDGET deficit.

Your Hawaii example is absurd.
Discuss trade deficits and surpluses between nations. Not some trade deficit you think Hawaii has

No, it's not absurd at all. It's precisely the same thing.

The only difference is that we don't TRACK interstate trade the way we track international trade. But if we did, the reports would show that Hawaii has a massive trade deficit.

THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS, FRIEND.

Trade deficits are a normal consequence of specialization. The only difference is one of scale.

I run a "trade surplus" of computer services. My employer pays me to provide that service, but I don't buy anything from them.

I run a "trade deficit" of nearly everything else, because I pay others to provide goods and services for me. I pay for someone else to grow and process my food. I paid for someone to build my house. I paid for someone to make a vehicle for me to drive. All those jobs were "outsourced" because someone else could do it better and much more cheaply than I could do it myself.

I run a trade deficit with Chrysler Motors, because I have NEVER sold anything to them, but they have sold multiple vehicles to me.

I run a trade deficit with the local grocery store, because I buy lots of food there, but they never hire me to do their computer work.

I'm not in debt to any of them.

Should I panic? Should I protest to Chrysler that they're being unfair to me? Should I stop shopping at that store and DEMAND that they use my computer services before I'll buy their food?

That's EXACTLY the same situation between countries, only on a larger scale.

When you scale that situation up to the size of a country, you have a "trade deficit". You have others do things for you that they can do better and/or cheaper than you can.

As long as I'm spending less than I earn, all is well. Even if there is a HUGE imbalance between what any single trading partner buys from and sells to me.

149 posted on 10/08/2009 11:24:39 PM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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