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To: annieokie

Not just for the 8 yrs but on a monthly basis in Iraq. I was just saying that it’s not like there’s casualties because Obama’s the President. I’m sure if McCain was the President there would be casualties as well. Or if Bush had stayed for 3rd ter,. More? Less? Who knows?

The issue for me isn’t even so much the casualties as his lack of action. If this was all happening as apart of a plan and there were signs of progress, fine. Casualties happen in war, and historically even the 300 or so killed this year is extremely low.

Still, he doesn’t really seem to be displaying any leadership. My point was more to compare the media reaction, though. That was the main thrust. Bush really didn’t even have naything to di with main point and looking back I don’t even really know why I brought him up at all.


48 posted on 10/03/2009 11:39:07 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: jeltz25
The issue here for most of us is Obamas refusal to send more troops to help WIN. He thinks he is so damned smart that he knows how to do battle better than the PROS. Bush let the Military do it's job, his job was to provide the necessary equipment and manpower.

O is making this his personnel VIET NAM. He owns it now, no other.

McCain would not behave in this way, nor do I think any other nominee as President would do so, unless you are a Carter.

O is a total failure is all aspect of his short career.

O spent too much time organizing the HOOD, he sure knew how to send that manpower out, and in his spare time he played Mario Brothers, he thinks he is playing computer games, play awhile take a break, play awhile take a break.

70 posted on 10/04/2009 12:11:28 AM PDT by annieokie (i)
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To: jeltz25

The number of casualties before Obama’s master plan ROE were very untaseful as were the casualties in Iraq, but they were small compared to the pre-ROE times. For that I do place blame on the Pentagon for not giving the President a clear picture of the situation and also the President for not demanding one. If you go to a month by month analysis there was a sudden uptick after April and those numbers are rising every month.

http://icasualties.org/oef/

So your initial analysis is flawed in respect to the number of casualties because of Obama’s neglect of the issue. I also have a major problem with Stanley taking 3 months to prepare a report that should have taken days. Then he comes out with his Kennedy Center educated crap about the prioroty should be first protecting the Afghan civilians and not focused on killing the enemy. With all due respect Sir, That is Bullcrap. Until you kill the friggin bastards killing the civilians, they will never be safe or feel secure. Your platoon leaders know that as a fact of life, so what is your major malfunction, General? Keep this crap up and you’ll end up making Westmoreland look like Patton!


125 posted on 10/04/2009 3:24:22 AM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate)
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To: jeltz25; annieokie
Not just for the 8 yrs but on a monthly basis in Iraq. I was just saying that it’s not like there’s casualties because Obama’s the President. I’m sure if McCain was the President there would be casualties as well. Or if Bush had stayed for 3rd ter,. More? Less? Who knows? The issue for me isn’t even so much the casualties as his lack of action.

Actually you are contradicting yourself. The reason we are having MORE casualties recently in Afghanistan is because of two things: 1.) Bozo changed the ROE so American troops can't shoot back. At least 4 troops died as a direct results of those ROE and I would bet they were hampered in this attack as well.

2.)In failing to send in additional troops he is also causing the casualty rates to be higher than they should be.

No one is saying there would be no casualties if we had a different President but we all know that with a decisive President we would have fewer casualties than we are taking now and we would win the war.

You are actually a Bozo apologist trying to appear as a conservative, your contradictory statements pretty much prove that.

148 posted on 10/04/2009 4:38:56 AM PDT by calex59 (FUBO, we want our constitution back and we intend to get it!)
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To: jeltz25
Why the hell should the son of a Muslim Kenyan man, raised as a Muslim in Indonesia, give a shit how many US troops are killed fighting Muslims?

His conscious is clear. In his mind, he is just doing Allah's work. If a pitcher or quarterback wants to throw a game, its pretty easy. Just drop the ball. I blame the people who voted for this jerk. Not Him.

176 posted on 10/04/2009 6:12:15 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: jeltz25
Given the extreme political divide regarding Afghanistan, it seems to me that the Messiah has encountered a [political] lose-lose situation.

Your thoughts?

183 posted on 10/04/2009 6:55:08 AM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: jeltz25

“The issue for me isn’t even so much the casualties”

I bet it would be an issue for you if it were your son/brother/sister/relative that got killed because the rules of engagement were changed to make it harder for our troops to defend themselves. There’s also a reason Obama’s general asked for more troops...the same reason there’s an increase in casualties right now. Your moral relativism makes me puke in my mouth a little. :)


282 posted on 10/04/2009 12:39:39 PM PDT by Cherokee Conservative (Democrats - They can lose any war, no matter how backward and braindead the enemy)
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