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To: antiRepublicrat; ari-freedom; GodGunsGuts; tpanther; Orestes5711; metmom; Ethan Clive Osgoode
If you read Darwin you may see that he didn't think strict biological natural selection was important for us. He thought that social cohesiveness, regardless of physical traits, is what makes one society stronger than another. Specifically, he wrote about "sympathy." The more sympathetic society, the one that helps the weakest among it, will be more socially cohesive and thus will be stronger in the long run.

Yes, let's read some Darwin, shall we?

"The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world." (Charles Darwin, 1881, 3 July, Life and Letters of Darwin, vol. 1, 316)

Why, this man is just bubbling over with "sympathy" and "social cohesiveness" here, isn't he! If you like this, just wait till you read what Dar-wikipedia wrote about his views on "physical traits." If you need more commentary on what Dar-witless meant, just summon up a contemporary sampling of Dar-dickless's "Bull Dog," little Tommy-boy Huxley. (/sarc)

OK, Charlie. So in human terms "lower races" are fit for -- in your words -- "elimination," are they now?

Better be careful, One might think some crazy German in the not too distant future might take you up on that idea.

"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world.

"At the same time the anthropomorphous apes [i.e., blacks – ed.], as Professor Schaffhausen has remarked, (Anthropological Review, April, 1867, p. 236) will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla." (Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man, Chap. vi)

Ouch! You even used that term "exterminated" this time!

Really now, upChuckie. Don't you realize exactly how your evolutionist acolytes in the 20th and 21st centuries will apply what you have written here to justify under the color of science what is nothing more than the evolutionist-materialist's inherent bigotries, and the abortion mills, which fulfil their plans for what they consider "undesireables?"

It's pretty much a direct argument against abortion and eugenics.

Right. And who was it, anti-Repuli-crackpot, who coined the term, "eugenics" and who were the immediate philosophical and family inheritors of the mantle who ultimately carried forward dear Charlie's vison? Try the members of the estimable Eugenics Society and those who were formal recipients of the Darwin Medal, first awarded in 1890 as a tribute to Darwin: "A silver medal... given... in reward for work of acknowledged distinction in the broad area of biology in which Charles Darwin worked" - The Royal Society.

Let's see if you can recognize a few names:

Francis Galton Darwin Medalist 1902. Charles Darwin's cousin. Coined the word eugenics in the early 1880s. Founded the Eugenics Society (the British one).

Only Chuckie Darweenie's cousin.

Francis Darwin Darwin Medalist 1912. Cambridge Eugenics Society member.

Just some Chuckie spawn.

Horace Darwin Cambridge Eugenics Society.

More Chuckie spawn.

George Howard Cambridge Eugenics Society. Charles Darwin's son

Sill more Chuckie spawn.

Charles Galton Darwin Eugenics Society life fellow, vice-president 1939, director 1939, president 1953-1959, committee 1960. Chairman of Promising Families. Grandson of Charles Darwin, son of George Howard Darwin. Wrote for the racist journal Mankind Quarterly, which was edited by Otmar Von Verschuer (Josef Mengele's mentor at Auschwitz).

Grandspawn of dear Chuckie.

OK, only Chuck's grandson, but, hey, cut the guy some slack right, anti-Republi-crack-head?

Thomas Henry Huxley Darwin Medalist 1894. Tireless anti-religious polemicist, Darwin's "Bulldog". Huxley expended massive effort attacking God, Christianity, the Catholic Church, and even the Salvation Army. "In addition to the truth of the doctrine of evolution, indeed, one of its greatest merits in my eyes, is the fact that it occupies a position of complete and irreconcilable antagonism to that vigorous and consistent enemy of the highest intellectual, moral, and social life of mankind--the Catholic Church" - T.H Huxley, Darwiniana.

Just has that oh so charitable cachet to it, doesn't it?

"No rational man, cognizant of the facts, believes that the average Negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man.....it is simply incredible to think that.....he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller-jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried on by thoughts and not by bites." (Thomas Huxley, 1871, Lay Sermons, addresses and reviews)

Such a lovely, charitable fellow was Charlie's sidekick, Tommy boy, wasn't he!

Julian Huxley Darwin Medalist 1956. Grandson of Thomas Henry Huxley. Eugenics Society member, fellow, council member, vice-president, president. Euthanasia Society executive committee. Abortion Law Reform Society vice-president. Co-founder of UNESCO. First director general of UNESCO, 1946-1948. Author of Evolution: The Modern Synthesis (1942). Collaborated with J.S. Haldane and H.G. Wells on the popular 1920s evolution propaganda ("The Incontrovertible Fact of Evolution") series Science of Life. Popularized the French works of Teilhard de Chardin (Piltdown Man, Peking Man.). Huxley was a long-time friend of Nobel laureate Konrad Lorenz, who worked on Nazi Racial hygene. Humanism, transhumanism. Socialism.

Oh just "Hucky's" grandspawn. Nothing to see here. Friend of a Nobel lureate racial hygeine philosophist no less! Evolutionism-Liberalism-Socialism-United Nations-Leftism-Communism-Euthanasia. Yeah, nothing to see here. Really....

Paul Popenoe Pro-Nazi. American Eugenics Society member, director. Human Betterment Foundation. The German Sterilization Law (J Heredity, 1934): "Hitler... bases his hopes of a national regeneration solidly on the application of biological principles to human society."

Whew! Finally an honest to goodness racist, nazi, Eugenicist who wasn't in the physical spawn-line of either Chuckie or Hucky! Hey I'll bet that J Heredity article was even peer reviewed, too!

Margaret Sanger Eugenics Society, life fellow. American Eugenics Society. Founder of Planned Parenthood. The Negro Project Girlfriend of Havelock Ellis (eugenist) and H. G. Wells (eugenist).

Ah Yes, THAT Margaret Sanger. Let's look at Margaret Sanger's take on the value she placed upon "charity" too shall we? Such a pesky thing that Salvation Army organization must have been in the minds of Tommy Huxley and Margaret Sanger:

“Organized charity itself is the symptom of a malignant social disease. Those vast, complex, interrelated organizations aiming to control and to diminish the spread of misery and destitution and all the menacing evils that spring out of this sinisterly fertile soil, are the surest sign that our civilization has bred, is breeding and perpetuating constantly increasing numbers of defectives, delinquents and dependents. “

It [charity] encourages the healthier and more normal sections of the world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world, it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant [emphasis added].

Well there you have it: evo-turds in their own words. These godless eugenic evo-schlubs have contributed so much to the establishment and preservation of conservative thought, and traditional values, haven't they? (/sarc)

How conveniently the phony "conservative" evo-crud puking atheists would like true conservatives to forget what their philosophical roots REALLY are!

167 posted on 10/04/2009 11:33:53 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Intelligent Design is to evolution what the Swift Boat Vets were to the Kerry campaign)
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To: Agamemnon

“Why, this man is just bubbling over with “sympathy” and “social cohesiveness” here, isn’t he!”

—Darwin did comment on the less technologically advanced (“savages” in the lingo of the time, which didn’t have some of the negative connotations as it does today) getting wiped out, but he wasn’t predicting that it would occur because it *should* happen, but based the prediction on what he himself witnessed on his travel around the world. In fact, he often spoke out against the treatment of such people. I don’t deny that Darwin was a racist, but for his own time he was astonishingly egalitarian. Read enough stuff from his time and Darwin’s ideas become a breath of fresh air.

Let’s read some more Darwin. Here’s what Darwin thought of sympathy:
“Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless; it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil.”

And social cohesiveness:
“As man advances in civilization, and small tribes are united into larger communities, the simplest reason would tell each individual that he ought to extend his social instincts and sympathies to all the members of the same nation, though personally unknown to him. This point being once reached, there is only an artificial barrier to prevent his sympathies extending to the men of all nations and races. If, indeed, such men are separated from him by great differences in appearance or habits, experience unfortunately shows us how long it is, before we look at them as our fellow-creatures. ... This virtue, one of the noblest with which man is endowed, seems to arise incidentally from our sympathies becoming more tender and more widely diffused, until they are extended to all sentient beings. As soon as this virtue is honored and practiced by some few men, it spreads through instruction and example to the young, and eventually becomes incorporated in public opinion.”

Darwin even argued that the advancement of civilization in Europe was due to cultural, not biological, evolution (although there are a few times he seems to waffle on that idea and suggest that some groups may be mentally inferior; he may have been unsure himself if it was wholly cultural or partly innate):
“The western nations of Europe, who now so immeasurably surpass their former savage progenitors, and stand at the summit of civilization, owe little or none of their superiority to direct inheritance from the old Greeks, though they owe much to the written works of that wonderful people.”

“”At the same time the anthropomorphous apes [i.e., blacks – ed.], as Professor Schaffhausen has remarked, (Anthropological Review, April, 1867, p. 236) will no doubt be exterminated.”

—I don’t know who put “blacks” there, but whoever did doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Darwin is referring to chimps, gorillas, orangutans, etc which were being quickly wiped out.


168 posted on 10/04/2009 12:36:29 PM PDT by goodusername
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To: Agamemnon
Read some from Descent of Man:
"The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil. We must therefore bear the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind."
That is an absolute statement against eugenics. According to Darwin, Eugenics gives a "contingent benefit" at best, but at the cost of "overwhelming evil."
169 posted on 10/04/2009 12:55:00 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Agamemnon; antiRepublicrat; goodusername; metmom; spirited irish
While it is true that Darwin did not have the intestinal fortitude to follow the logic of his own evo-religious creation myth, it is clear that he had much sympathy for his eugenicist supporters, and he left it to them to do the dirty work of advocating for the extermination of those that did not live up to the master race. This was made clear every time Darwin made comments like the following (notice who he recommends, and says he took his comments from!):

“Natural Selection as affecting Civilised Nations.- I have hitherto only considered the advancement of man from a semi-human condition to that of the modern savage. But some remarks on the action of natural selection on civilised nations may be worth adding. This subject has been ably discussed by Mr. W. R. Greg,* and previously by Mr. Wallace and Mr. Galton.*(2) Most of my remarks are taken from these three authors. With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.”

Darwin, The Descent of Man (1871 edition), vol. I, p. 168)

171 posted on 10/04/2009 1:44:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Agamemnon

“How conveniently the phony “conservative” evo-crud puking atheists would like true conservatives to forget what their philosophical roots REALLY are! “

From my Christian perspective, evolution and Christianity are perfectly compatible. Don’t you agree?


179 posted on 10/04/2009 5:28:31 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Agamemnon

“How conveniently the phony “conservative” evo-crud puking atheists would like true conservatives to forget what their philosophical roots REALLY are!”

they are RINOs who will rush to Obama the second the GOP nominates someone who dares to questions Darwin. See Little Green Footballs.


181 posted on 10/04/2009 6:53:45 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Fiscal conservatism without social conservatism is dead.)
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