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Introducing The College Student’s Back to School Guide to Intelligent Design
Evolution News & Views ^
| September 25, 2009
| Casey Luskin
Posted on 09/26/2009 8:51:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: nmh
To: GodGunsGuts
Indeed! Critical thinking about anything but Darwinism! Or how one recognizes design in what they observe or whether what is touted as evidence is really evidence of anything other than the narrative of Darwinism and so forth.
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posted on
09/26/2009 9:10:29 PM PDT
by
count-your-change
(You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: GodGunsGuts
So someone tell me, how would you do an experiment to test for intelligent design?
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posted on
09/26/2009 9:18:44 PM PDT
by
donmeaker
(Invicto)
To: GodGunsGuts
Im now going to debate again.
To: donmeaker
By someone, would anyone do? Or must it be GGG?
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posted on
09/26/2009 9:38:06 PM PDT
by
count-your-change
(You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: donmeaker
"So someone tell me, how would you do an experiment to test for intelligent design?" If your ANOVA or MANOVA experiment requires a dependent variable labeled "deus ex machina" to work you probably are in the right neighborhood.
To: count-your-change
If you have an answer, please enlighten me.
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posted on
09/26/2009 9:48:26 PM PDT
by
donmeaker
(Invicto)
To: donmeaker
First by “intelligent design” can we agree on a meaning along the wording of:
An agent capable of making decisions about they will or will not do and carrying those decisions out and being fully aware of doing so.
So here’s the experiment. I put an arrow head in a paper sack and a similarly sized stone that I picked up from somewhere, anywhere goes in the sack too. Now you reach in and take out either one and tell me whether it is intelligently designed or not or if you are unable to say either way.
Not too hard so far, but now explain how you reasoned out your answer, the steps of logic, etc. you used.
So now that you’ve heard the experiment, which one did you mentally pick out and what is your answer to the steps of logic question and so forth?
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posted on
09/26/2009 10:02:42 PM PDT
by
count-your-change
(You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: count-your-change
Not too hard so far, but now explain how you reasoned out your answer, the steps of logic, etc. you used.As the expression goes, "arrowheads don't grow on trees."
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posted on
09/26/2009 10:11:22 PM PDT
by
dr_lew
To: dr_lew
Maybe on arrowhead trees? But that really has nought to do with my experiment. Thanks.
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posted on
09/26/2009 10:15:08 PM PDT
by
count-your-change
(You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: count-your-change
But that really has nought to do with my experiment. Suppose you found an acorn. Would you say, "Look at this amazing artifact! Someone must have made it!" No, you wouldn't, because acorns grow on trees. They are part of nature, just as rocks are part of nature. Didn't God make rocks?
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posted on
09/26/2009 10:19:06 PM PDT
by
dr_lew
To: GodGunsGuts
I just read on another post tonight how 88 percent ot the children of Evangelicals grow up, leave the Church, and never come back. I have to imagine the relentless promotions of ID likely pushed them out the door. Keep up the good work GGG.
Most of the Old and New Testaments are meant to teach good behavior. The creation Fairy tale is a very tiny part of the Bible. When the flock begins to hear ID, ID, ID, and more ID, they got to get out before they go crazy.
To: dr_lew
You’re free to join the experiment if you like.
If I had never seen an acorn or a tree I don’t know what I’d say. And one must not confuse design with origin as the question about God making rocks does.
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posted on
09/26/2009 10:31:17 PM PDT
by
count-your-change
(You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: count-your-change
If I had never seen an acorn or a tree I dont know what Id say.Well, you have seen them, so what do you say now?
Of course, your arrowhead is just a version of Paley's "watch in the wilderness". His argument, and yours, is incoherent, however. The watch is placed in contradistinction to nature, and by analogy we are supposed to place nature in contradistinction to itself. It's a specious argument.
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posted on
09/26/2009 10:36:30 PM PDT
by
dr_lew
To: dr_lew
I haven't made any argument. I've asked for an explanation based upon a request made to me by another poster for an experiment. I've asked for his argument.
My experiment, I get to ask the questions. What does acorns and watches have to do with it?
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posted on
09/26/2009 10:50:42 PM PDT
by
count-your-change
(You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: GodGunsGuts
More unadulterated codswallop. In an undergraduate class, students are expected to learn the material that is presented. They don't have the cerebral firepower to understand a fraction of any single discipline (let alone argue against it), and yet the morons who crafted this article expect them to do just that. Did any of these guys ever even go to college? You want to challenge a paradigm? It's easy: Go to college; get good grades; get a fellowship (or two); earn a Masters; then a PhD; do some post-doc work; re-invent the wheel. If some snot-nose walks into a class and expects to argue with a professor using “evidence” he or she got out of a Discovery Institute brochure, they are really, truly, seriously deluded.
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posted on
09/26/2009 10:58:41 PM PDT
by
stormer
To: count-your-change
My experiment, I get to ask the questions."Under carefully controlled experimental conditions, the subject animal does what it damn well pleases."
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posted on
09/26/2009 10:58:53 PM PDT
by
dr_lew
To: count-your-change
My experiment, I get to ask the questions. Not much of an experiment. What's your hypothesis? Which result will support your hypothesis, and why? What variables have you controlled for--for example, do you have a way of distinguishing the conclusion of intelligent design from the actual presence of intelligent design?
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