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To: Seizethecarp

Whoops!

Leo Donofrio says Orly never argued dual citizen issue in Rhodes. She made such a big deal about it in other filings.

Leo:

If you read the Judge’s order, he correctly points out that no FACTS were alleged to support the claim, only innuendo. This is EXACTLY the reason i said the pleadings were insufficient - nowhere in the pleading did it state the FACT that Obama was British at birth and that he has admitted this fact. It’s clear from the very first paragraph that the Judge only conisdered Obama’s BC and place of birth... he never discussed the dual citizen issue because it was NEVER raised...

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/john-mccain-citizen-of-panama-at-birth/#comments


231 posted on 09/16/2009 6:17:18 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Leo says:

[Ed. I should have a thorough analysis of Orly’s case before Judge Carter and the dismissal in the Rhodes case by tomorrow.]

Stay tuned!


235 posted on 09/16/2009 6:25:39 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
Leo Donofrio says Orly never argued dual citizen issue in Rhodes. She made such a big deal about it in other filings.

Leo is wrong on that. See Rhodes Complaint P 148. "All that is asked of the President is that he humbly acknowledge and produce his true and complete original birth certificate, and that he then confirm and acknowledge that, no matter where he was born, he cannot be President because one of his parents (Obama‘s natural father) was not a US citizen at the time of his son‘s birth."
236 posted on 09/16/2009 6:25:45 PM PDT by Sibre Fan
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To: Seizethecarp
Leo Donofrio says Orly never argued dual citizen issue in Rhodes. She made such a big deal about it in other filings.
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If you read the Judge’s order, he correctly points out that no FACTS were alleged to support the claim, only innuendo

The issue, or at least the one involving who Barry's father was, is that he was not a US Citizen. Doesn't matter of what country, nor if that country makes the children of it's citizens, born outside its borders, citizens at birth. Thus dual citizenship, per se, is not the issue. And it's easy to shoot down. (The "What if Kim Jun Il made all babies born in America North Korean citizens at birth?" argument)

In a legal sense, it's not a FACT that BHO Sr was Juniors father or that if he was, he was also not a citizen of the US. Those are not FACTS, in the same way that "fire burns" is a FACT. And, as I understand it, it matters not that Obama himself, or his ghost writer, made statements to that effect in his books. Those would be facts that needed to be established, and supported by legal documentation. Documentation that is inaccessible absent a court order/supoena.

She did say in her filing, in speaking of "relative hardships" with regard to the need and desirability for a TR:,

However, Barack Hussein Obama, in order to prove his constitutional eligibility to serve as the president has to spend only one minute of his time to sign a consent form for release of his vital records, showing that he is a Natural Born Citizen, meaning one born in the country to two US citizen parents.

So the issue was brought up.

I haven't yet read the transcript of the hearing to see what she, or Captain Rhodes, might have said on the matter during the hearing.

253 posted on 09/16/2009 7:16:04 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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