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To: spunkets; betty boop; TXnMA; DallasMike; MHGinTN; metmom; tpanther
Thank you so much for sharing your testimony, dear spunkets!

The physics is what supports reality. God is a being that exists in that reality…

God is real, and is a perrson, not a rationalization. Keep in mind that He is a person and came here specifically to teach who He was. He did that by becoming human. Faith is beleiving what someone says through reason and decision, w/o the hard evidence that would provide certainty. God made choices as a human in this world(human experience) to be true to Himself, generating the identical personality and holdings of the Father, which are identified as and in the person of the Holy Spirit. That Person is who is to be known, not some rationalization, or other person, or thing.

At the root, we have a disagreement as to Who God IS.

By your testimony, God is subordinate to (exists within) “what is” which you call reality.

Your testimony here and previously at post 74 is much like that of the LDS, that each god is a created spiritual being in a pre-mortal existence, the offspring of prior father-gods in an eternity past; that enfleshed as man also can become an equivalent god over his own domain and so continuing into eternity future. In this belief, god may be “a” creator of a universe but not “The” Creator of “all that there is” whether spiritual or physical. And he is subordinate to “what is” which is comparable to your testimony of reality.

It is my testimony that that belief denies God is “The” Creator; it denies that His Name is I AM and Alpha and Omega.

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. – Colossians 1:15-17

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. – Genesis 1:1

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. – Revelation 4:11

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. – Revelation 1:8

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. – Revelation 20:11

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. – Revelation 21:1

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. – Exodus 3:14

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. – John 8:58

As soon then as he had said unto them, I am [he], they went backward, and fell to the ground. – John 18:6

Though I can and do love them and pray for them, I cannot wish my LDS friends “Godspeed” in their missionary efforts. They are some of the kindest, gentlest, generous, politically like-minded people that I know. Yet - in obedience to Deut 12:3-4 and 2 John 1:10-11 - I cannot even indirectly encourage any effort that denies a Name of God. I have the same issue with your testimony, dear spunkets.

Even so, as my dearest sister in Christ has said, I am glad that you are theist!

Emphasis mine:

And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. – Revelation 3:7-13

God alone had no beginning, He created beginning. When He wills it, what is will not be. And when He wills it, what will be, will be. God alone has no end.

The reason we, His adopted children, will inherit the new heaven and earth has nothing to do with who we are but everything to do with Who God IS.

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. – Colossians 3:3

Such is my testimony about the Name of God, I AM.


109 posted on 09/17/2009 9:21:45 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; spunkets; TXnMA; DallasMike; MHGinTN; metmom; tpanther
By your testimony, God is subordinate to (exists within) “what is” which you call reality.

FWIW, I just don't see how God can be thought of as inside of or existing within that which He has made; i.e., the Creation. Like man, the Creation itself seems to have the nature of imago Dei — i.e., the image or reflection of its Creator.

It's like with a great artist, who is inevitably reflected by his canvas. Thus one can easily distinguish between a Rembrandt and a Van Gogh, for instance. But neither artist is ever really "in" his canvas....

Plus, God's Name is I AM THAT I AM. Thus He describes Himself as pure Being — and not existence at all. Existence is derivative of Being, and a participation in it. Being is eternal and absolute; existence is finite and contingent. Plus this Holy Name also strongly suggests to my mind that God is entirely self-subsistent, sui generis; that is, He has no cause outside of Himself. Ergo, He is the prime mover, the uncaused cause of all that there is, on earth and in Heaven.

Jeepers, I seem to be waxing philosophical here today! Forgive me; I dust off the great Greeks every now and then.... LOLOL!

Thank you so very much, dearest sister in Christ, for your lovely, gracious essay/post!

113 posted on 09/17/2009 11:04:20 AM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Alamo-Girl
" By your testimony, God is subordinate to (exists within) “what is” which you call reality."

Being real does not imply subordination.

" Your testimony here and previously at post 74 is much like that of the LDS, that each god is a created spiritual being in a pre-mortal existence,the offspring of prior father-gods in an eternity past;...

Not at all, or in any way, shape, or form.

120 posted on 10/29/2009 10:11:18 AM PDT by spunkets
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