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To: penelopesire; Texas Songwriter

Excellent, texas.

I was merely responding to the situation
being described in the reporting as fact
that he did need a trauma center, but
Dr. Tex could be on the right track.

The outrageous idiocy of this grade D,
hotshot mayor aside, we don’t have all
the medical facts, and we may never get
the whole story, seeing the principals
involved.

But the compounding issue to me is his
alleged recent surgery — could’ve been any
number of things, from hemorrhoids to some
kind of growth removal, point being that
he could’ve already been subject to bleeding
from that, then he’s likely taken a pain med,
which has a side effect of bleeding ... and if
he was intending to kill himself, took a lot
of them and had vomited profusely ..

The surgery is a notable factor right there to
me, excluding any skullduggery from another
person/persons.

Internal bleeding could’ve been happening with
his existing condition and the pain meds, and Dr.
Tex is right .. unless it was so severe as to be
considered life or death, the admitting hospital
should’ve been able to handle it.

But if they saw he needed emergency surgery and
had no trauma surgeon on staff or on call who
could get there quick enough, and his condition
was worse than they were aware .. maybe he
concealed some other junk he took because he did
prefer dying to jail and humiliation, I can see
the transfer.

My son’s an ER doc at a hospital that’s not
a trauma center, and he regularly will transfer
patients who are more seriously ill than they’re
equipped and staffed to handle. The life/death
cases are choppered out.

We just don’t have all the info yet .. except that
the mayor is unfit for that office, and a man
who apparently wanted to die .. who created a
hellish situation for himself and who admitted
days earlier that he knew his life was over ..
is dead.


197 posted on 09/13/2009 10:12:35 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE
We certainly have no reason to believe he was bleeding externally. Aspirin will cause gastrintestinal bleeding...usually gastric and manifest itself by vomiting blood. He did vomit, but not one person in the pressor declared there was blood in the vomitus. Moreover, it sounded like he was either 7 or 8 days postop. If someone is going to bleed at the operative site, it will ususally be well before day 7. Beyond that, this Kelly, had he been bleeding for days, most assuredly would have had a basic workup in ER consisting minimally of H & H (hemoglobin and hematocrit) and electrolytes and blood gases, given his chief complaint of having ingested ASA. So, we have no reason to believe this man presented to the ER with anything other than salicylate overdose by history. There is no evidence perported that he was bleeding internally (intrabdominally or intrathoracic)...and with an operation 'down in the private parts' (Mayor) there is no reason to believe bleeding was a factor at all.

I do not know of the surgical capability of Oak Forrest Hospital, but it being a suburb of Chicago, I would predict is had the ability ot perform basic abdominal and thoracic surgical proceedures. In either case, we have no reason to believe he needed surgery. The treatment for salicylate poisoning is medical, not surgical.

198 posted on 09/13/2009 10:39:06 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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