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Terrorist Watch List Gun ban
(info@gunalerts.com) | 09/11/2009 | Alan Gottlieb

Posted on 09/11/2009 7:23:02 AM PDT by Sensei Ern

'CZAR' Sunstein Shoots Himself In The Foot

Gun Hater Lautenberg Proposes "Extraordinary Powers" Be Given To the U.S. Attorney General To Limit Gun Sales.

Obama and the White House are looking the other way as Lautenberg seeks to ban guns from 1,000,000 US citizens on a secret FBI terrorist watch list. Obama has deliberately and repeatedly lied to America's 90 million gun owners across the country when he insisted that he would not try to take away anyone's firearms. Now Obama's silence endorses Lautenberg's latest attempt at banning guns.

Lautenberg has now introduced bill S. 1317 that would give the attorney general the discretion to block gun sales to people on terror watch lists. We must defeat this bill from giving extraordinary powers to limit gun sales to the Attorney General.

Fax NOW - Get Your Name Off The List STOP Lautenberg's Attorney General Gun Grab Select Here to Reject AG Gun Ban and Fax All 99 Senators

Lautenberg To Reveal Names on Secret List

The names of the people on the watch list are secret, and Lautenberg said he was frustrated by the F.B.I.'s refusal to disclose to investigators details and specific cases of gun purchases beyond the aggregate data.

Gun hater Lautenberg requested the gun grab study from the Government Accountability Office. He is using statistics, compiled in the report that is scheduled for public release next week to invade US citizen's privacy and put more restrictions on the Second Amendment.

Lautenberg said he wanted a better understanding of who is being allowed to buy guns.

How you ask? Trial by innuendo and misinformation that has put 1,000,000 Americans and maybe even you on a terrorist watch list without your knowledge by saying: people placed on this government's terrorist watch list can be stopped from getting on a plane or getting a visa, and will also be stopped from buying a gun.

Lautenberg wants gun purchases stopped for just being on the list. Current law states federal officials must find some other disqualification of a would-be gun buyer, like being a felon, an illegal alien or a drug addict.

Is your name on the list and can you get it removed?

The government's consolidated watch list, used to identify people suspected of links to terrorists, has grown to more than one million names since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. It also has drawn widespread criticism over the prevalence of mistaken identities and unclear links to terrorism.

A CNN story raises questions about mistaken identities on the list - James Robinson is a retired Air National Guard brigadier general and a commercial pilot for a major airline who flies passenger planes around the country.

James Robinson is a retired brigadier general and a commercial pilot. His name is on the terrorist "watch list."

He has even been certified by the Transportation Security Administration to carry a weapon into the cockpit as part of the government's defense program should a terrorist try to commandeer a plane.

But there's one problem: James Robinson, the pilot, has difficulty even getting to his plane because his name is on the government's terrorist "watch list."

That means he can't use an airport kiosk to check in; he can't do it online; he can't do it curbside. Instead, like thousands of Americans whose names match a name or alias used by a suspected terrorist on the list, he must go to the ticket counter and have an agent verify that he is James Robinson, the pilot, and not James Robinson, the terrorist.

"Shocking's a good word; frustrating," Robinson -- the pilot -- said. "I'm carrying a weapon, flying a multimillion-dollar jet with passengers, but I'm still screened as, you know, on the terrorist watch list."

Fax NOW - Get Your Name Off The List STOP Lautenberg's Attorney General Gun Grab Select Here to Reject AG Gun Ban and Fax All 99 Senators

History Repeating Itself?

The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit."

Lautenberg Must be Stopped

Recently Sens. Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ), Jack Reed (D-RI) and Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) have joined Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and victims and family members of the Virginia Tech tragedy, to introduce legislation to eliminate the private transfers of firearms and close the nation's "gun show loophole."

This Senate bill is in the Judiciary Committee, chaired by anti-gun liberal Democrat Leahy. Lautenberg's gun hate is well documented and he says you are irrational if you support private gun sales. "There is no rational reason to oppose closing the loophole. The reason it's still not closed is simple: the continuing power of the special interest gun lobby in Washington" Sen. Lautenberg said ignoring the Constitution. Fax NOW - Get Your Name Off The List STOP Lautenberg's Attorney General Gun Grab Select Here to Reject AG Gun Ban and Fax All 99 Senators

Lautenberg and the Gun Grabbers in the Senate are now tying to use the GAO to justify putting Americans on a secret gun ban list.

LAUTENBERG'S MOTIVES

Motives for his latest gun ban to are twofold: First, he is taking small steps to enact gun control legislation this is just one step. Second, eradicate the gun culture altogether. All that seems to be on the minds of the Anti-Gun Senators and at the offices of gun control extremists is figuring out how to invade your privacy to erode and eventually destroy the right, and the means, of self-defense.

Now the Anti-Gun Coalitions are trying to use a self supporting GAO study to destroy the right of all Americans to keep and bear arms to protect themselves under the law. They are attacking and hiding behind an Anti-Terrorist Agenda while getting political and financial support from:

George Soros a Hungarian-born billionaire bank rolling efforts with his check book and spending more that $100 million to destroy the Constitution.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (CA) admitted that "guns would be banned and confiscated" if she could have her way.

The United Nations actively pushes globalism seeking to disarm all Americans.

We must Stop the Anti-Gun Coalition and get ready for the biggest gun control fight of the year from coast to coast. We can not do that without your support.

Stand up against this attack! Stand up for the right to not only defend yourself, but to defend your family, your children, your friends, and your classmates!

Like all other threats against our freedoms, we must rise and defeat this bill from giving extraordinary powers to limit gun sales to the Attorney General.

In order to stop Lautenberg and his fellow gun-grabbers-we need to let the Congress know with thousands of faxes telling them to leave guns alone.

Americans like you who understand what our Founding Fathers envisioned for our nation…and who are willing to fight to defend our Constitution and for what it stands.

Select Here to Reject All Gun Bans and Fax All 99 Senators

Keep calling your Senators today, toll free numbers include 1-877-851-6437 and 1-866-220-0044, or call toll 1-202-225-3121 AND REGISTER YOU'RE OUTRAGE at ongoing efforts to take guns away!

CALL PRESIDENT Obama, 202-456-1111 and 202-456-1414 expressing your disdain and ABSOLUTE REJECTION of all GUN BANS.

DO NOT BE SILENCED - MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD!

Remember, protecting our freedom is not inexpensive.

But then, it's impossible to put a price tag on freedom.

Together, we can preserve the Constitutional rights our Founding Fathers intended our people to have forever.

Please let me know your decision right away. Thank you.

Sincerely,

Alan Gottlieb Chairman Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: Sensei Ern
Private email ain't exactly news!

Check your sources.

21 posted on 09/11/2009 8:00:40 AM PDT by sonofagun
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To: Sensei Ern

Thank You George W. Bush for the CRAP you introduced to this country post 9-11.


22 posted on 09/11/2009 8:00:40 AM PDT by Boiling Pots (Barack Obama: The Final Turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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To: Sensei Ern; Jim Robinson
James Robinson is a retired brigadier general and a commercial pilot. His name is on the terrorist "watch list."

He has even been certified by the Transportation Security Administration to carry a weapon into the cockpit as part of the government's defense program should a terrorist try to commandeer a plane.

But there's one problem: James Robinson, the pilot, has difficulty even getting to his plane because his name is on the government's terrorist "watch list."

That means he can't use an airport kiosk to check in; he can't do it online; he can't do it curbside. Instead, like thousands of Americans whose names match a name or alias used by a suspected terrorist on the list, he must go to the ticket counter and have an agent verify that he is James Robinson, the pilot, and not James Robinson, the terrorist.

"Shocking's a good word; frustrating," Robinson -- the pilot -- said. "I'm carrying a weapon, flying a multimillion-dollar jet with passengers, but I'm still screened as, you know, on the terrorist watch list."

The American Civil Liberties Union estimates more than 1 million names have been added to the watch list since the September 11 attacks.

The FBI, which manages the Terrorist Screening Database, disputes that figure. It says that there are about 400,000 actual people on the list and that about 95 percent of those people are not U.S. citizens. Watch how three people found themselves on terror watch list

"There's going to come a point in time where everybody's on the list," Robinson said.

Robinson is not the only person with that name flagged on the list.

Since airing a story this summer about how Correspondent Drew Griffin began getting told he was on the watch list -- coincidentally after he wrote a series critical of the TSA's Federal Air Marshal Service -- CNN has received dozens of e-mails and iReport submissions from viewers who also have found themselves on the watch list.

It turns out that three people named "James Robinson" found their names on the list in early 2005. iReport.com: Do you think your name is on the list?

Besides the airline pilot, there's the James Robinson who served as U.S. attorney in Detroit, Michigan, and as an assistant attorney general in the Clinton administration;

and James Robinson of California, who loves tennis, swimming and flying to the East Coast to see his grandmother.

He's 8.

The third-grader has been on the watch list since he was 5 years old. Asked whether he is a terrorist, he said, "I don't know."

Though he doesn't even know what a terrorist is, he is embarrassed that trips to the airport cause a ruckus, said his mother, Denise Robinson.

Denise Robinson said that no one in the government even told her her son is on the watch list but that it wasn't hard to figure out. Checking in at curbside three years ago, the family was told they couldn't get boarding passes and were hustled to the ticket counter.

She said the ticket agent made a number of phone calls and kept asking which among her husband and two sons was James.

"And all of a sudden he says, 'How old is he?' " Robinson recounted. She said she responded numerous times, "He's 5."

The agent handed them paperwork and refused to tell them what the problem was but urged them to fill out the forms. The documents were Department of Homeland Security paperwork to get off the watch list.

Not knowing which of the three might be targeted, she sent in the required documents for the entire family -- and got back one letter, addressed to James.

Congress has demanded that the TSA and Homeland Security fix the problems with the list that are making travel so difficult for so many Americans. Prominent lawmakers, including Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy and civil rights leader-turned-Georgia congressman John Lewis, also have encountered watch list difficulties.

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VIDEO

23 posted on 09/11/2009 8:09:04 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: sonofagun

The source was private email. The news is that they named someone as being on the list. The other news being that they are taking gun rights away for something less than suspicion.


25 posted on 09/11/2009 8:12:05 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy)
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To: Sensei Ern

So a “Jim Robinson” cannot check in at airport security, but a “Barack Hussein Obama” can still ...... oh, nevermind, im kinda tired,,,,


26 posted on 09/11/2009 8:12:49 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: sonofagun

Oh it is news see post # 23. It is all over google as news.


27 posted on 09/11/2009 8:18:21 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Boiling Pots

LOL nice blame Bush try... but it is the whacko Holder and Napolitano that have not a freaking clue what they are doing.


28 posted on 09/11/2009 8:21:20 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: DesertRhino

Exactly and he is 8 years old, a pilot and an attorney.


29 posted on 09/11/2009 8:22:19 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Sensei Ern

Could you help me out here, with a direct link to the article? I’m having trouble finding it and I would like to link to the source, rather than to FreeRepublic, in our local newspaper.


30 posted on 09/11/2009 8:25:39 AM PDT by Eva (union motto - Aim for mediocrity, it's only fair.)
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To: Sensei Ern
I was sent this via email. Is there truth to it?

Private email is generally not a good source to post from if you haven't checked the sources.

Just sayin'.

31 posted on 09/11/2009 8:38:33 AM PDT by sonofagun
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To: stylecouncilor

shi’ite


32 posted on 09/11/2009 8:39:23 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Sensei Ern
So when the Republicans are back in charge, are all the left wing groups going to be the new terrorists? They'd better be!
Islamofacists, ELF, ALF, ACORN aren't known for their peaceful activities, you know.
33 posted on 09/11/2009 8:44:43 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
I still can't believe that there are those who want this same government in charge of their healthcare.
34 posted on 09/11/2009 8:47:01 AM PDT by yooling ( FUBO)
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To: Sensei Ern
Lautenberg wants gun purchases stopped for just being on the list. Current law states federal officials must find some other disqualification of a would-be gun buyer, like being a felon, an illegal alien or a drug addict.

Once the Second Amendment "right" was infringed by denying guns to ex-felons the rest was inevitable. Just keep it up and the only ones to have guns will be the criminals who don't obey the law anyway.

35 posted on 09/11/2009 9:05:57 AM PDT by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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To: Sensei Ern
Most of the email alerts are bull crap. This isn't.

Alan Gottlieb and SAF (Second Amendment Foundation) is a good group. They put on a gun rights policy conference each year that is very reasonably priced.

There's bills that are introduced each year that want to put the "no-fly" list and apply it to guns as well. There's no movement on it, but it is one we need to watch for, because that is something that may get the mushy middle on board.

36 posted on 09/11/2009 9:10:30 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (We do what we have to do.)
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To: concerned about politics
I have a problem with labeling American Citizens as terrorists who aren't convicted for the purpose of taking away constitutional rights. That goes for the left or right.
37 posted on 09/11/2009 9:12:27 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (We do what we have to do.)
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To: Eva; sonofagun

Eva, i copy pasted what I received and I was asking folks on here to validate it, because like you I did not find anything by Google. Maybe we need a class on search composition?

Son, Yes, I totally agree, but if it were (and appears to be) true, it would be news. I was asking for the validation. I needed to check a topic and it seemed more news than anythign.


38 posted on 09/11/2009 9:22:41 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy)
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To: Sensei Ern

With all that this tyrannical fraud and his demonic minions have done to date, what on earth would make you disbelieve it???? Check to see if such a bill is pending in the Congress? Call Lautenberg’s office. There are lots of things you can do to validate this. And furthermore, it makes perfect sense. Obama will do ANYTHING against the people of the United States to maintain power and RULE with an iron fist. Dis-arming you makes perfect sense. This Fascist pig has a lot more than this in store for you.

In fact, I can’t believe how much the American public has put up with so far. I truly believe that this guy has the suspension of the 2010 elections already figured out. He will see to it that there is a manufactured crisis, will institute Martial Law and suspend the elections. NO WAY will he allow the type of Rats he’s got behind him now in the numbers that he’s got them, to be removed from office and replaced by Conservatives who will not go along with him. Without a huge uprising, you now have a DICTATOR, for the forseeable future. CO


39 posted on 09/11/2009 11:28:07 AM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what an antibiotic is to an infection - Healing!!!!)
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