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To: dsc; UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
All your arguments are faulty. If you believe that guns don't cause crime and should be lawfully carried then you are a hypocrite if you believe drugs should be banned.

The crimes involved with drugs are crimes because of drug laws, and the war on drugs has done more to limit freedom in the US than just about any other law in the country.

Not the freedom to use drugs but other freedoms, the right to own property, the right to carry our own money around in a suitcase if we desire too, without being arrested for it.

The bottom line is this: Outlawing drugs has caused more crime than it ever prevented. Your arguments are based on two things: Morality(yours)and the need to control others. People who are violently anti-drug, such as yourself, are usually motivated by religious beliefs(although there is nothing in the bible about not taking drugs)and the need to control others and make them conform to your beliefs.

Think about this(although you will not think about it other than how to make another one of your over long rants): Drugs were legal in this country before the turn of the century, we had no more addicts then than we do now(adjusted for population), drugs today are as plentiful, or maybe more so, than they were then, the difference being now you can't go about buying them openly.

The war on drugs has done nothing but accelerate crime, bankroll gangs and cause massive importation of drugs into our country up through the southern border(along with importing criminals).

The daily killings in Mexico over drugs can be directly attributed to our war on drugs. If there were no market for the illicit drugs(and there would be none if they were leaglized)there would be no mexican drug cartel.

Making something illegal has always had the effect of making a black market for it and increasing crime, BECAUSE OF THE MONEY INVOLVED IN THE SELLING OF SAID ILLEGAL PRODUCT. Cigarettes will shortly be in the same fix as drugs, being sold on the black market and causing needless killings and other crimes.

I know this comment will have not alter your opinion, you are beyond hope and will continue with your self righteous beliefs until the day you die.

128 posted on 09/14/2009 6:24:32 AM PDT by calex59 (FUBO, we want our constitution back and we intend to get it!)
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To: calex59

“If you believe that guns don’t cause crime and should be lawfully carried then you are a hypocrite if you believe drugs should be banned.”

Utter nonsense. But I guess that’s why they call it dope.

The right to carry guns is part and parcel of our God-given rights to self-defense and self-government. Recreational drug use partakes of that in no way whatsoever.

“The crimes involved with drugs are crimes because of drug laws”

So, your argument here is that crimes are crimes because of laws making them illegal?

“and the war on drugs has done more to limit freedom in the US than just about any other law in the country.”

Funny, I haven’t seen it.

“the right to own property”

As long as congress has the power to tax, nobody owns anything.

If you’re talking about the forfeiture laws, I agree that they are an outrage. However, the solution to that is to correct or repeal the law, not to legalize drugs.

“the right to carry our own money around in a suitcase if we desire too, without being arrested for it.”

Same answer as above.

“The bottom line is this: Outlawing drugs has caused more crime than it ever prevented.”

Are you checking what you write? I think I know what you were trying to say, and again, the solution is to get serious, not give up.

“Your arguments are based on two things: Morality(yours)”

No, morality (yours). You will answer for it, the same as I.

“and the need to control others.”

Dr. Freud, is that you?

“People who are violently anti-drug, such as yourself”

And now we decline into the fever-swamps of personal attack.

“Drugs were legal in this country before the turn of the century, we had no more addicts then than we do now (adjusted for population), drugs today are as plentiful, or maybe more so, than they were then, the difference being now you can’t go about buying them openly.”

Even if that’s true, it doesn’t mean what you think it means. In the 19th century (we’re in the 21st now; better update your boilerplate) the public perception of drug use was entirely different.

“The war on drugs has done nothing but accelerate crime, bankroll gangs and cause massive importation of drugs into our country up through the southern border(along with importing criminals).”

Judging by the recurrence of the same typos, I’m beginning to think somebody is posting under several user names.

This “war on drugs, war on drugs, war on drugs” mantra is exactly the sort of bogeyman that the left loves so well. No matter how bad a job the government did in trying to reduce the drug problem, the answer is not legalization.

When murder rates were so high in New York City, did anyone propose legalizing murder as the solution to the problem?

“The daily killings in Mexico over drugs can be directly attributed to our war on drugs.”

No, the killings are on the heads of the users in this country.

“If there were no market for the illicit drugs(and there would be none if they were leaglized)there would be no mexican drug cartel.”

If drugs are legalized and taxed, there will be a booming market for drugs that are tax-free and more potent than the US Government brand.

“Making something illegal has always had the effect of making a black market for it and increasing crime, BECAUSE OF THE MONEY INVOLVED IN THE SELLING OF SAID ILLEGAL PRODUCT.”

Drug addicts will commit crimes whether drugs are legal or not, because they will still need living expenses and money for other luxuries.

The way to ameliorate the drug problem is to (a) reduce the number of druggies, and (b) get serious about stopping importation and distribution.

“Cigarettes will shortly be in the same fix as drugs, being sold on the black market and causing needless killings and other crimes.”

Yes, prohibiting cigarettes is a bad idea. However, there is already a booming black market for tax free cigarettes.

“I know this comment will have not alter your opinion, you are beyond hope and will continue with your self righteous beliefs until the day you die.”

From the 1960s until the 1990s my opinion was the same as yours is now. Then I realized that I was full of crap, and changed my opinion to better match reality. Maybe someday you’ll get it right, too.


135 posted on 09/14/2009 7:33:52 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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