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To: P-Marlowe; jude24; Kolokotronis; jagusafr

A soldier is supposed to obey an unlawful order, but orders from your superiors are presumed to be lawful if they are customary to service. An order to be deployed to Afghan or Iraq, a war authorized by Congress, are presumed to be legal.

Those wars have gone far beyond the approval of this president and were in place on his assuming office. They were initiated by a former president, and they have joint resolutions of congress affirming them. Soldiers are to presume them legal, AND for the sake of those already there, they are not to leave them in the lurch in threat of their lives for the sake of what at this point is a personal philosphy or opinion. They are the relief, and if the relief does not arrive, it has injured the troops on the line.

This goes to the heart of what it means to be a comrade-at-arms. You don’t desert and leave your fellow troops out there. You just don’t.

Now, if this president decides on military action against Honduras, he will first have to make his case. It’s no where near that. I watched as both Grenada and Panama built up, and the Honduran situation isn’t anywhere near the point of deploying troops.

The manual for courts martial totally supports the refusal of orders that are patently illegal...such as orders to rape or pillage. As stated previously, orders that are customary to service are presumed to be legal, AND coming THROUGH the chain, they are coming from your immediate superiors (the officers appointed over you) who DO HAVE authority constitutionally to direct the actions of soldiers on the battlefield.

P-M, I have no regard for this female doc, because she has deserted troops in the field that she knows are dependent for their lives on her unique skills. And she has done it for what at this moment is her own personal philosphy or opinion.

You also know that I, too, want to see Obama’s original birth certificate. He has yet to show it. I’m interested in facts, and the fact is that he’s not produced any of his early documents.

This, however, does not change what is customary and necessary to military service relating to OUR young lives already on the battlefield.


130 posted on 09/07/2009 5:12:17 AM PDT by xzins
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To: P-Marlowe; jude24; Kolokotronis; jagusafr
A soldier is supposed to obey an unlawful order

Correction: "A soldier is NOT supposed to obey an unlawful order...."

132 posted on 09/07/2009 5:41:50 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
Now, if this president decides on military action against Honduras, he will first have to make his case. It’s no where near that. I watched as both Grenada and Panama built up, and the Honduran situation isn’t anywhere near the point of deploying troops.

He can order the troops into Honduras without the approval of anyone. IIRC he must get congressional approval for any military action lasting more than 90 days, but he does not need anyone's approval to order an "incursion" into Honduras to reinstate his pal Zelaya.

the Honduran situation isn’t anywhere near the point of deploying troops.

There's an election coming up. Obama clearly does not want that to happen because it will legitimize the ouster of Zelaya. If Zelaya is going to become dictator for life, he must be reinstated by November.

Now if Obama orders your son to Honduras to reinstate Zelaya, would you then maybe want to have Obama's credentials certified?

137 posted on 09/07/2009 7:33:48 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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