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To: antiRepublicrat
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Your opinion. So what?

NCSE was the calm voice of reason in this after they got involved.

It doesn't matter what they were. They had no business there. PERIOD. Their involvement is de facto evidence of a conspiracy. You no doubt would be screaming to high heaven had DI approached the Smithsonian as intimately as NCSE did. You have fits and conniptions over DI sending a DVD or two and book to a school board.

That might have something to do with this case if Sternberg had been a government employee

Of course, it would have to do with liability. The actions of SI and NCSE remain.

His term as an RA was coming to its scheduled end and he didn't get a new sponsor

Another lie or misstatement. Dr. Vari was his sponsor. All appointments evidently need sponsors.

Scholars seeking an academic appointment must be formally nominated by a member of the NMNH research community. A complete curriculum vita is required as part of the nomination packet as well as reprints of recent publications.

The NCSE is a clearinghouse for information on the IDers, why not go there?

First, Sternberg is neither a YEC nor likely an ID'er. Second, NCSE intruded, they were not asked in after somebody stumbled on a misconduct. Sternberg was not charged with any misconduct. Read the congressional report. The BSW council could only state that they would not have published the paper. They admit that the editor has great leeway. Third, NCSE, as you have admitted acted with authority that they didn't have. You routinely conflated them with SI management.

Whose only sin was to bypass normal editorial policy in order to railroad an inferior publication authored by a freind of his, subjecting the Journal and the Society, and by extension the SI

SI has no connection to the BSW. Railroad is your opinion as was your opinion that it had not been peer-reviewed.

794 posted on 09/09/2009 2:31:25 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Your opinion. So what?

My opinion, based on facts. Even better is the fact that the reports are faulty, ignoring evidence and making unsupported claims, as I've shown.

You no doubt would be screaming to high heaven had DI approached the Smithsonian as intimately as NCSE did.

Why? I'd have no problem with it.

You have fits and conniptions over DI sending a DVD or two and book to a school board.

Why would I? It's the standard practice of the DI in their "teach the controversy" effort. You're the one who tried to deny it. I just said manufactured lawsuits are common.

Another lie or misstatement. Dr. Vari was his sponsor. All appointments evidently need sponsors.

His sponsor who got him the appointment died not long after he started. He needed a new sponsor, and nobody was willing to risk his reputation by sponsoring Sternberg. Even if he had obtained a new sponsor, there's the problem that applicants for RA must have a good reputation as a scientist, something he'd just previously blown with the Meyer paper.

First, Sternberg is neither a YEC nor likely an ID'er.

Not likely an IDer, huh? Care to explain the fact that he was a fellow of the "International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design" along with Dembski, Behe, Campbell and others? Note the great amount of cross-pollination between this place and the Discovery Institute. It was basically set up so that ID papers could be published by a scientific journal (well, at least one that called itself scientific). It had quite relaxed peer review rules, of course.

The BSW council could only state that they would not have published the paper.

No, they also said that what he did was against editorial policy. Sternberg abused his power as editor and didn't disclose his conflict of interest.

Third, NCSE, as you have admitted acted with authority that they didn't have.

How is that possible when they exercised no authority?

SI has no connection to the BSW.

You haven't been reading. The members often are also members and associates of the SI. Sternberg was, do you think he was the only one? They are scientists in the field, in D.C., what do you expect? The BSW isn't a place scientists go to work for, it's a group of scientists who work at other places and get together to discuss their interests and present their papers.

Railroad is your opinion as was your opinion that it had not been peer-reviewed.

Let's see, all the post-publication reviewers said they would have rejected it. Sternberg and Meyer were friends, both IDers, and after Meyer presented essentially the same thing at a conference that was in the BSW paper, Sternberg decided to publish it. But unless he's a complete idiot he knew it would not get approved through the normal peer review process, so he either did no peer review (or as claimed went outside for the supposed review), submitted it, and resigned before publication to avoid any repercussions.

That sounds like railroading to me.

There was only one conspiracy in this whole mess: Sternberg and Meyer conspiring to push through an ID paper in a scientific journal in order to fulfill that goal of the Wedge Document. Means, prior established motive, opportunity, plus evidence. Easy conviction.

Everything else was natural fallout from Sternberg's own actions. Conspiracy? Kind of difficult when you're emailing your displeasure to everybody. What, a conspiracy of the whole SI staff? It's not a conspiracy if everybody knows.

795 posted on 09/09/2009 4:08:24 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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