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To: metmom

How about Genesis 1:11-12 ? God commanded the earth to bring forth grass, “and the earth brought forth grass”. Isn’t this evolutionary? Or at least naturalistic? Please note that God does not DESIGN the grass. He COMMANDS the earth to bring it forth. Isn’t this fatal to “intelligent design”, from a literalistic point of view?


646 posted on 09/06/2009 12:02:13 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew
Please note that God does not DESIGN the grass.

Sure He would have. You don't know that He didn't design the grass and program it to operate in a certain way, as is true with the rest of creation.

If you design something with certain properties, like the water molecule, then it's going to behave in a certain way under certain conditions; like becoming less dense when turning into a solid, and forming hexagonal lattices to form snowflakes.

So in a sense, it is not necessary for God to create each and every individual snowflake, but the design allows for a tremendous latitude for variety within that framework. The water molecules are working the way they were designed to, which in no way demonstrates that God is not needed nor that God didn't design it.

Isn’t this fatal to “intelligent design”, from a literalistic point of view?

No. How would it bring it forth if it wasn't designed into it in the first place? Isn't it obvious enough to the reader that it happened without stating it? Would it have made any difference to evos if the Bible had said that God designed the earth to produce vegetation? They don't want to take the Genesis account literally, and so if it specifically said that God designed the system to behave in certain ways, many would still get around that by declaring it allegorical.

655 posted on 09/06/2009 5:54:18 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: dr_lew
Or at least naturalistic?

How can it be naturalistic when something operates on command. If the grass had simply sprung forth on it's own, even then it doesn't justify the naturalistic, God's not needed position, because the possibility is still open that it was designed that way.

*Naturalism* does not in any way eliminate the action of God in the creation of, or the sustaining of everything. Just because we see the mechanisms that He uses, doesn't mean He isn't there or proof that He's not needed.

656 posted on 09/06/2009 5:58:41 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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