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Is conservatism dead?
The New Criterion ^ | September 2009 | James Piereson

Posted on 08/29/2009 10:40:16 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem

He** NO it isn’t dead.


21 posted on 08/29/2009 2:42:51 PM PDT by calex59
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To: neverdem

Paleoconservatism isn’t dead.


22 posted on 08/29/2009 2:46:30 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: neverdem

If we allow the RNC in its current iteration to define conservatism, then...it is dead.

If we allow Colin Powell to define conservatism, it is dead.

If we allow John McCain, his daughter or any others like them to define conservatism, it is dead.

If we allow the media to define conservatism and allow it to stick, it is dead.


23 posted on 08/29/2009 2:54:59 PM PDT by rlmorel (Mary Jo Kopechne is now available for comment.-August 26, 2009)
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To: theFIRMbss

But Zappa had even more harsh words for Reagan.


24 posted on 08/29/2009 3:10:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
>But Zappa had even more harsh words for Reagan

Yes. And he also
did some Christian bashing, too.
My general point

was that Tipper Gore
had no real conservative
opposing her since

real conservatives
had kind of turned up their nose
at pop culture so

an independent
like Zappa was the only
opposing voice that

was credible with
younger people in general.
I dislike pop now

but try to keep up
so I can at least talk to
kids on their own terms.

25 posted on 08/29/2009 3:56:05 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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26 posted on 08/29/2009 6:35:44 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Ever notice how status quo republicans spend most of their efforts bashing conservatism instead of doing battle with democrats? And they wonder why conservatives won’t be compliant and support the GOP.


27 posted on 08/29/2009 6:39:00 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Proud FR Mobster)
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To: TADSLOS
Ever notice how status quo republicans spend most of their efforts bashing conservatism instead of doing battle with democrats?

Yes. With some rare exceptions, e.g. the state of Maine, they need to lose in primaries.

28 posted on 08/29/2009 6:52:14 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; ...
This question is absurd.

In the strict sense, it is not possible for conservatism to be dead. Sadly the same is true for liberalism. The two are as old as the Bible and will last till the end.

Conservatism is based on the Ten Commandments—Biblical Judeo-Christian principles—objective truth.

The Founding Fathers were almost all very religious (and political) Conservatives and all of the Founding Documents (the American tradition) are based in the greatest part on Biblical Judeo-Christian principles.

America to her very roots IS conservatism.

Liberalism is the rejection of the Founding Fathers and the Godly Founding principles that have made this the greatest nation in the history of the world.

Conservatism had been “the established order” until the cancerous plague of progressive liberalism made its way at the beginning of the twentieth century.

“...the Constitution, representative government, liberty and equal rights, the rule of law.” are all based on Biblical Judeo-Christian principles, CONSERVATISM and have absolutely nothing to do with modern liberalism. The author twisted that around.

When dealing in actual elections liberals/progressives always have to lie about their true positions and objectives and lie about their opponents. Conservatives (not RINOs) generally have a natural advantage.

Liberalism in its many forms is anti-American.

Conservatism versus Liberalism truly is Good versus Evil—Heaven v Hell.

America is too vast to be exclusively one or the other. The real question is whether or not America will return to her Godly and conservative founding principles enough to survive or will she collapse and die from the stinking godless rot of liberalism.

IMO—the best place to see the historical truths of this is http://www.wallbuilders.com/

29 posted on 08/29/2009 9:28:18 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


30 posted on 08/29/2009 9:57:18 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem
"Conservatism" was never even a unified movement. Heck, there are people who call themselves "conservatives" who are really populists or classical liberals.

I think we need to re-embrace social realism AND political constitutionalism. Trying to bring back the era in which small towns and sunday schools dominated the "over-culture" (which, outside of said small towns, it never did) is futile.

31 posted on 08/31/2009 8:42:10 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: mysterio
Paleoconservatism isn’t dead.

Judging from Chronicles' subscription numbers and the Rockford Institutes membership roles, to say nothing of the Quixotic campaigns of Pat Buchanan, it is.

32 posted on 08/31/2009 8:57:34 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Clemenza
"Conservatism" was never even a unified movement. Heck, there are people who call themselves "conservatives" who are really populists or classical liberals.

Don’t miss the Elite Left vs the Populist Left

Most of the factions on the right could agree on limited government, national security and common sense. There seems to be a lot of cognitive dissonance on the left.

33 posted on 08/31/2009 11:48:01 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
I didn't read it but I have to say something.

Viva Viagra! It ain't dead!

34 posted on 08/31/2009 11:50:12 AM PDT by right way right
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To: neverdem

I don’t think that Tanenhaus was ever a conservative. He wrote an outstanding objective biography of Whittaker Chambers but that doesn’t mean that he agreed with Chambers.


35 posted on 08/31/2009 11:03:45 PM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: neverdem
I was under the impression that Sam Tanenhaus was a real conservative of some sort

Brooks is a Freeper compared to Tanenhaus.

36 posted on 08/31/2009 11:13:13 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: neverdem
Garry Wills, a stone lefty, predictably agrees with some of Tanenhaus's judgments, but find Tanehaus's categories extremely confused: Conservatives: The Tanenhaus Taxonomy

Sam's book is another one of those where everyone the author sort of likes is in one category, and everyone he doesn't is in the other. Realities that don't fit the categories are ignored.

So Nixon is a "movement" or "revanchist" type for Tanenhaus, when his policies were actually closer to Ford's than to Reagan's, and movement conservatives had real qualms about supporting him.

The Economist describes the book as "essentially an appeal for unilateral disarmament by the right masquerading as a fair-minded report on the state of the battle." Sounds about right.

37 posted on 09/08/2009 2:05:08 PM PDT by x
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To: NavyCanDo

As our friend Larry Kudlow likes to say, “The cavalry is coming!”


38 posted on 06/28/2022 10:16:25 AM PDT by aspasia
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