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To: Red Steel
IMO, all she would have to present in court is the known "facts" (assuming Barry isn't lying about who his biological father really is):

1)Barry was born to a foreign national father who had no perminant attachment to this country.
2)Bary was born with British citizenship via his father's British citizenship...no matter where he was born.
3)Assuming birth in HI, he was BORN with dual citizenship (i.e. potential for divided loyalties).
4)There is no known record of him renouncing his born with British citizenship.
5)Therefore, unless he prooves otherwise, he remains a British citizen today (& possibly a U.S. citizen. TBD).

So, she ask's the military court...does our Constitution allow for the Commander in Chief to be a British citizen or...possibly a dual citizen?

They can waive the "prima facia" short form HI colb all they want. Question is, "HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?"

99 posted on 08/28/2009 11:30:52 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid
“IMO, all she would have to present in court is the known “facts” (assuming Barry isn't lying about who his biological father really is):

1)Barry was born to a foreign national father who had no perminant attachment to this country.
2)Bary was born with British citizenship via his father's British citizenship...no matter where he was born.
3)Assuming birth in HI, he was BORN with dual citizenship (i.e. potential for divided loyalties).
4)There is no known record of him renouncing his born with British citizenship.
5)Therefore, unless he prooves otherwise, he remains a British citizen today (& possibly a U.S. citizen. TBD).

So, she ask’s the military court...does our Constitution allow for the Commander in Chief to be a British citizen or...possibly a dual citizen?

They can waive the “prima facia” short form HI colb all they want. Question is, “HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE “GOVERNED” BY GREAT BRITAIN?” “

To address your points one at a time:

“1)Barry was born to a foreign national father who had no perminant attachment to this country.”

Yes, but his father's status does not determine American citizenship, birth location and/or mother's citizenship determine it.

“2)Bary was born with British citizenship via his father's British citizenship...no matter where he was born.”

True, but under US law that no longer effects his US citizenship. The US laws that took an American’s US citizenship away because of foreign nationality have been thrown out as unconstitutional. This is because a right created by the constitution (citizenship) was being taken without due process of law. People were losing their citizenship by administrative action, not conviction in court and that is unconstitutional.

“3)Assuming birth in HI, he was BORN with dual citizenship (i.e. potential for divided loyalties).”

If he was born in Hawaii, then he had citizenship from birth. Any foreign citizenship he may have had is not legally relevant. Foreign law cannot deprive an American of his birthright.

“4)There is no known record of him renouncing his born with British citizenship.”

He never needed to, it was taken automatically by Act of Parliament. (see below)

“5)Therefore, unless he prooves otherwise, he remains a British citizen today (& possibly a U.S. citizen. TBD).”

Incorrect.

If born in Hawaii, then Obama has US citizenship by the 14th amendment, this citizenship is a birthright that can only be taken by two methods, 1) an explicit renunciation (it MUST be explicit not implicit), or 2) conviction of Treason (if allowed by law, I'm not sure of the status today)

Separate from his US Citizenship, he did have British Citizenship per the British Nationality Act of 1948. However he lost that citizenship in 1963. The timeline of Obama’s UK citizenship is roughly as follows:

1961 Obama born, acquires UK citizenship
1963 Constitution of Kenya, Obama gains Kenyan citizenship
1963 Per the Kenyan Independence Act, citizens of Kenya lose their UK Citizenship. They retain an amorphous status of “British Subject”.
1981 British Nationality Act of 1981 abolishes the status of “British Subject” replaced with the even more amorphous status of “Commonwealth Citizen” which is only used for certain issues related The Commonwealth.
1982 Per Kenyan law, because Obama does not explicitly renounce his US citizenship, he automatically loses his Kenyan citizenship and his status as a Commonwealth Citizen

As of 1982, the only citizenship Obama has is US citizenship (There are rumors he may have gotten Indonesian citizenship, but like UK citizenship that would not have effected his US citizenship. To answer your tag line: "HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?"

It can't. The only factor in determining his natural born status is his US citizenship. The actions of the Parliament of the United Kingdom, or the Parliament of Kenya can never deprive an American of his birthright. Any foreign citizenships he may have held have no meaning in US law.

141 posted on 08/29/2009 6:11:10 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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