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Global Warming or Global Cooling?
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| August 24, 2009
| Jason Lomberg
Posted on 08/24/2009 2:48:09 PM PDT by neverdem
Global Warming or Global Cooling?
by Jason Lomberg, Technical Editor
Ecnmag.com - August 24, 2009
Gentlemen, start your debatingaccording to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the July average was the highest recorded ocean temperature in 128 years. Julys worldwide average of 62.6 will revive the global warming debates, inasmuch as some will cite this as evidence of climate change. Julys high water mark (pun intended) will certainly be repeated ad nauseum by politicians, journalists, and activists of all stripes. With reports of ocean temperatures topping 88 degrees, there appears to be clear evidence of global warmingat least one would surmise by the breathless media coverage. And if observers read the first line of the NOAAs reportThe planets ocean surface temperature was the warmest on record for July, and stopped there, theyd have no cause to think differently. Read further and youll discover an inconvenient detail. The report states that, Large portions of many continents had substantially warmer-than-average temperatures during July 2009. But it also mentions that, Cooler-than-average conditions prevailed across southern South America, central Canada, the eastern United States, and parts of western and eastern Asia. One could argue that ocean temperature is more indicative of global climate trends. But this conflicts with one immutable factthe Pacific Decadal Oscillation is locked in a cooling phase. Based on this, one could argue that weve entered a period of global cooling. But then, that doesnt sound as sexy, with the cavalier indictment of industry. Obviously, if climate trends are cyclic, then global warming (as a persistent phenomenon caused by humans) is baloney. |
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To: neverdem
With the oceans being warmer, I guess we can expect CO2 to evaporate at a more rapid rate from these waters than in the past, resulting in a higher concentration in the atmosphere.
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posted on
08/24/2009 3:28:31 PM PDT
by
Real Cynic No More
(The only thing standing between us and complete victory over the evildoers is POLITICS!)
To: neverdem
Doesn’t matter -We’re all gonna be killed by an asteroid first anyhow...
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posted on
08/24/2009 3:36:55 PM PDT
by
J40000
To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
wind and solar will be regulated out of existence. We could plug the wind and solar generators into space heaters.
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posted on
08/24/2009 3:53:07 PM PDT
by
FatherofFive
(Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED. Barack OBORTION is a close second.)
To: FatherofFive
Great idea! Then we could mount thermoelectric generators on the space heaters. Fans could be powered by the electricity produced & used to motivate wind turbines. Should be able to warm the planet up real good.
To: Balding_Eagle
“I think there is a good reason why, I assert that they show plummeting ocean temperature”
Not any more.
Basically, I used the sea level data as a bridge to the in situ [ocean-based] data, explains Willis, comparing them to one another figuring out where they didnt agree. First, I identified some new Argo floats that were giving bad data; they were too cool compared to other sources of data during the time period. It wasnt a large number of floats, but the data were bad enough, so that when I tossed them, most of the cooling went away. But there was still a little bit, so I kept digging and digging.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OceanCooling/page3.php
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posted on
08/24/2009 4:10:16 PM PDT
by
UCANSEE2
(Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
To: neverdem
"We're doooomed... we'll never maaaaake it...."
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posted on
08/24/2009 4:52:54 PM PDT
by
J40000
To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Fans could be powered by the electricity produced & used to motivate wind turbines. Should be able to warm the planet up real good.Life would be easy if only we didn't have to comply with the laws of physics or economics.
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posted on
08/24/2009 5:35:29 PM PDT
by
FatherofFive
(Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED. Barack OBORTION is a close second.)
To: Balding_Eagle
Looks fairly neutral here. And the hyped El Nino is a real dud.
Current Unisys Sea Surface Anomalies.Some are speculating that satellites are generatng erronous readings lately that have slowly been going up. Interference from increased human electromagnetic radiation is suspected. Bottom line is Hurricane are not a problem this fall and winter will be a but kicker.
To: justa-hairyape
Also Dome A in Antarctica just this morning got within 4.2 C of its all time low temp. Was -78.3 C this AM.
Dome A Antarctica
Tomorrow morning could be interesting.
To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
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posted on
08/24/2009 7:10:52 PM PDT
by
neverdem
(Xin loi minh oi)
To: neverdem
FLASH: Giuliani will decide on NY candidacy within 30 to 60 days... Developing...
check drudge
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posted on
08/24/2009 7:12:50 PM PDT
by
bitt
(“You can’t make a weak man strong by making a strong man weak.” (Abraham Lincoln))
To: justa-hairyape
the southern hemisphere has 1/3 more water (surface) than the northern hemisphere, yet the hottest ocean water temperature is during the summer in the north. just seems backwards
To: neverdem
El Niño's not living up to its reputation this year. Our summer has been relatively cool and the migratory Plovers from Alaska are arriving early. They usually get here in late September or early October.
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posted on
08/24/2009 7:49:14 PM PDT
by
BIGLOOK
(Government needs a Keelhauling now and then.)
To: neverdem; 11B40; A Balrog of Morgoth; A message; ACelt; Aeronaut; AFPhys; AlexW; America_Right; ...
To: bitt
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posted on
08/24/2009 7:59:23 PM PDT
by
neverdem
(Xin loi minh oi)
To: bricks4all2
the southern hemisphere has 1/3 more water (surface) than the northern hemisphere, yet the hottest ocean water temperature is during the summer in the north. just seems backwards Normally you will see ocean shallow waters warm up during summer time due to increased amounts of Infrared light. That is exactly what happened this summer. There has also been some unusual hot spots on the Eastern Russian coastline that may indicate underwater volcanic activity. The Southern Hemisphere waters are cold (Unisys data) and that is what you would normally expect during winter time. What I suspect is happening is that the warming folks were expecting El Nino to scream and it is a dud. So they went and took some average data to hype warming. They apparently need the hype to extort money from the populace later this year. Bottom line is that with warm water, why is the Atlantic Hurricane season weak ? Hurricanes need warm water. If you look at the Unisys data the Atlantic water between the Caribbean and the East Coast of Africa is slightly cool. NASA and NOAA can no longer be trusted. This northern hemisphere winter will be the final nail in their coffins.
To: justa-hairyape
Oops. Replace East Coast of Africa with West Coast of Africa. Actually the Eastern Atlantic.
To: HiTech RedNeck
What is a good place to go to get real time readouts of water temperatures at various places in the ocean?I have no idea.
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posted on
08/24/2009 9:17:40 PM PDT
by
neverdem
(Xin loi minh oi)
To: neverdem
To: BIGLOOK
Thanks for the pic. I haven’t used the air conditioner this summer.
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posted on
08/24/2009 9:21:52 PM PDT
by
neverdem
(Xin loi minh oi)
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