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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Point one: the Indians at that time were being chased all over many states and they were trying to stay alive by any means they could.

Point two: Chivington's men killed mostly women and children and old men as the braves were out of camp at the time of attack. His men also cut out the women's vaginas and used them for hat bands. This camp was at peace at the time of this massacre and in fact was flying an American flag over one of the teepee's. You are reading the wrong books.

I'm sure that an old salty pioneer wrote a book about how blood thirsty the Indians were especially if he lost his family by them. But, the Indians didn't write books back then as I'm sure there would be volumes written about the loved ones killed and hunted down like animals. I could quote you a few books but I'm sure you wouldn't read them.

90 posted on 08/10/2009 1:42:06 PM PDT by fish hawk (Lord, help us to attain knowledge and the wisdom to apply it toward your ultimate will.)
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To: fish hawk

***Point two: Chivington’s men killed mostly women and children and old men as the braves were out of camp at the time of attack****

Are you confusing Sand Creek with the Washita? I read of so many battles in which the Indians were defeated and the PC claim is always “The men were all out hunting” when the attack happened.

At Sand Creek again I mention the fresh scalps found and lots of other goods taken in raids by the “peacable” Indians. Many myths sprang up around that, many were proven wrong yet still show up in articles about the battle.

At the Washita Custer followed a trail in the snow from indian raids in Kansas straight to the Washita. White captives were found there among these “peacable” Indians, also along with lots of goods that came from the burned out farmers in Kansas.

The Bannock made a raid from Montana deep into Mexico. The Piegan Blackfoot of Montana also made a two year long raid into Mexico and murdered people around Durango,Mexico.

The Iriquois made a raid from upper New York clear out to the plains of Nebraska where they killed several Pawnee.

Many years ago I researched the various infighting on the plains. I started with the Comanche who fought with the tribes of Oklahoma and Kansas, who fought with the tribes of Nebraska, who fought with the tribes of the Dakotas, who fought with the tribes of Montana, who fought with the tribes of Washington and Idaho, who fought with the tribes of Utah, who fought with the tribes of Utah, who fought with the various tribes of Apaches who fought with the Comanches.

Meanwhile the Anazazi were chowing down with each other. No whites involved.

As for brutality, years ago a dig in North Dakota uncovered a massacre site from the 1300s. the bones all showed hack and cut marks from various flint weapons and the skulls had scratches where the scalps were cut off.

The US did not fight with all tribes. Many of the smaller ones recognized the US as the big dog on the block and allied themselves with them. Poncas, Otoes, Pawnee, Crow,Osage.

The first school house massacre happened in Pensylvania when Indians attacked and murdered every student in an isolated school.

Indians also attacked and murdered the woman teacher and several students at an isolated school in Hammilton, Texas.

And the last of the Indian wars happened when? Writer Earle stanley Gardner wrote many books about Perry Mason. he also wrote books on Mexican desert history and said the last true indian attack was in Mexico in 1939 in which Mesican ranchers tracked down and killed a tribe of murdering Apaches in the Sierra Madre.

You should read Catlin’s account of how the Mandan chief Ma-ho-to-pa secretly traveled deep into Cree teritory and murdered with a tomahawk two Cree women. When Catlin asked if the chief felt anything wrong with murdering and scalping women the chief’s advisor said it was a great victory because it was done within sight of the Cree camp.

Then there is the story of the “barbarous execution of Col. Crawford”in 1782 in which is a first hand discription of torture of captives.

Count me out of the PC nonsense.


131 posted on 08/10/2009 5:09:24 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tar and feather the sons of bi#ches! Ride them out of town on a rail!)
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