[fish hawk]

You're missing my point. Let's say all of this did happen and I expect a lot more than that. I don't see how any of that has anything to do with what the white invaders did. (especially the Catholic Spanish and I mean the priests also) Even in the Calif. Missions , if they caught a run away they cut off a foot or a hand. They worked them as slaves under the guise of redeeming their souls. To me your take on Indians is a half empty glass. If you are trying to impress me on what you read, let me say, I have an extensive very large library on Indian books. Many out of print as I've been collecting since I was a kid and I'm seventy now.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***I have an extensive very large library on Indian books. Many out of print as I’ve been collecting since I was a kid and I’m seventy now. ***

I wish I had a better library. I did most of my research at the Tulsa, Ok public library and museums.
If you ever get to Tulsa go out to the Gilcrease museum and Philbrook museum to see their extensive collections of art and books.

Looking back at things happening over 100 years ago one gets a sense of being an armchair general to history. We didn’t live it so don’t get the total effect of things that happened then.
There are times I support the Indians and other times the whites, but what gets me riled is when a myth is continually repeated even though proven false many years before.

I don’t know much about the California Indian missions. I do know about the New Mexico missions and they were mostly peaceful years except during the Pueblo revolt, instigated by Po’Pe who later is rumored to have been murdered by his own people who enjoyed what the Spanish had done for them.

During the revolt quite a few of the tribes left with the Spanish abandoning their pueblos. that is why there are several towns around El Paso with Pueblo Indian names and settled by the Indians.