Posted on 08/10/2009 11:40:34 AM PDT by yoe
There are federally qualified IHS clinics in many cities and communities not on tribal land. And there are providers not working in those clinics who will treat Native Americans. Healthcare is not limited to clinics and providers on tribal land.
DO you have a CIB card?
I do have an old BIA card..from the Shawnee Agency.
And I have a CPN card......
Why do you ask?
CIB = Certificate of Indian Blood card. Different tribes call it different things. Regarding the tribes I normally work with, they just call it “a card” — as in “do you have a card?” or “I’ll drop card with you” when they want to see who is a member of what tribe. Usually needed when an individual shows up at a clinic requesting services.
I work mainly with OK and NM tribes, and you probably know how that goes. Most tribes have a quantum blood requirement, while most of the OK tribes (descendants of the Dawes Roll) merely have to prove their lineage with approved documents.
Just curious if you are missing out on any benefits because you don’t have any kind of CIB, but it sounds like you do.
Its hard for many people to understand.....our native Americans do get alot of benefits from the government, but not as many as most would think. And not all tribes are running successful casinos either, but those that do — and I’m thinking of the Cherokees right now — are pouring alot of that back into the tribes.
I was in error here. The family had left Republic County and moved into Jewell County in time to see friends and travelers butchered in the summer and fall of 1868. Some of the murderers were probably killed by Custer on the Washita.
My point was that the Native Americans took scalps of their enemies it was the Europeans that did it for bounties. That was the paradigm shift money or goods not a trophy of an enemy.
I have deceased family by the names of KaushKauMoNgine, Ahkenepoweh, Mahteenose Oskinanonotame, Shanote, Neghase, Motnoe...
I am a proud citizen of this country....and a proud member of my family.....
I think I can go back farther....and in different directions....
It's also said...some of my family ran the gap with Daniel Boone......
Doesn't matter........in today's world.
Yes....I am a CIB carrying person....As are my children. Thanks-
OK , no hard feelings here, I understand that it was just the way it was, I apologize if I spoke unwisely
I love and respect the Native Americans.
I have compassion for their plight
May we live in peace
***As for Custer he had it coming. Out here in Western Oklahoma at the Battle of the Washita he and his troops rode in on a settlement early one morning killing women, children and everything else in site.***
That is becasuse Custer followed a trail in the snow from burned out farms and homes in Kansas straight to the Washita. He also found captive white children there. One was disembowled by an indian woman when the soldiers attacked.
One of the most rewarding experiences I’ve had while working in Indian Health is learning how fiercely patriotic the Native Americans can be. Every chapter house, or conference center owned by any tribe invariably has an area dedicated to members who have or are currently serving in the military. They love the United States, this is their land, and they can’t imagine not defending it. The over-arching attitude is that they let US — the white man — help them defend it. After years of working with the government, its so refreshing and encouraging to attend Native American gatherings where attendees are not afraid to open meetings with the pledge, and also with prayer. I love it.
I’m with you, I’ve missed out on all my gubmint free Indian stuff.
It’s the myth that never dies, that all Indians are the same, and we all collect our federal checks each month.
I see that you are young, so I’ll grant you leeway for misinformation. But where did you get such mistaken information?
I’ve paid federal and state tax since I was younger than you are now. I receive no stipend of any kind, nor is my house free, believe me. I paid for the state college I went to and receive no casino money. The health care does exist for tribes, and I’ve commented about it on other threads regarding our current national debate over government intrusion into such. It’s the perfect example for federal health care, perfectly faulty.
Prelude To Battle
Events leading to the Battle of the Washita began with the Sand Creek Massacre of 1864. On November 29, troops under the command of Col. J.M. Chivington attacked and destroyed the Cheyenne camp of Chief Black Kettle and Chief White Antelope on Sand Creek, 40 miles from Fort Lyon, Colorado Territory. Black Kettle’s band flew an American flag and a white flag, and considered themselves at peace and under military protection. The terrible slaughter caused a massive public outcry. In response, a federal Peace Commission was created to convert Plains Indians from their nomadic way of life and settle them on reservations.
On the Southern Plains, the work of the Commission culminated in the Medicine Lodge Treaty of October 1867. Under treaty terms the Arapahos, Cheyennes, Comanches, Kiowas, and Plains Apaches were assigned to reservations in the Indian Territory. There they were supposed to receive permanent homes, farms, agricultural implements, and annuities of food, blankets, and clothing. The treaty was doomed to failure. Many tribal officials refused to sign. Some who did sign had no authority to compel their people to comply with such an agreement. War parties, mostly young men violently opposed to reservation life, continued to raid white settlements in Kansas.
Major General Philip H. Sheridan, in command of the Department of the Missouri, adopted a policy that “punishment must follow crime.” In retaliation for the Kansas raids, he planned to mount a winter campaign when Indian horses would be weak and unfit for all but the most limited service. The Indians’ only protection in winter was the isolation afforded by brutal weather.
Black Kettle and Arapaho Chief Big Mouth went to Fort Cobb in November 1868 to petition General William B. Hazen for peace and protection. A respected leader of the Southern Cheyenne, Black Kettle had signed the Little Arkansas Treaty in 1865 and the Medicine Lodge Treaty in 1867. Hazen told them that he could not allow them to bring their people to Fort Cobb for protection because only General Sheridan, his field commander, or Lt. Col. George Custer, had that authority. Disappointed, the chiefs headed back to their people at the winter encampments on the Washita River.
***The terrible slaughter caused a massive public outcry. In response, a federal Peace Commission was created to convert Plains Indians from their nomadic way of life and settle them on reservations.***
Myths upon myths.
Why would these Indians carry around a flag pole and put it up when the ground was frozen hard as a rock? In the inquest after no one claimed to have seen a flag pole with any white flag on it.
The “peaceful” Indians still had the scalps of white people so fresh they had not been streched on hoops and tanned.
The Indians sent a letter (written by Charlie Bent, believed to be a confederate agent sent to stir up the tribes) in which they state that IF the government would treat with the hostiles, they would also come in and treat with the whites. If they were peaceful why would they come in and treat?
It was a known fact that the indians would make peace in the winter and live on government goods till the spring grass was high enough to support a war horse, the the Ineians would go on their raids again. Social status in the tribe was from raiding and fighting.
The army in Colorado was glad when Chivington hit the indians and killed so many. They later turned away from him, not because of public outcry but because he did not kill as many as he claimed he did. Chivington never backed down from what he did at Sand Creek.
Many years later, he was invited to a celebration in Colorado in which he still stood by Sand Creek. The crowd appauded and cheered him because they remembered the brutality of the indians at that time.
The white error in making peace was that the chiefs could make theri mark on all the papers but it was the WARRIOR SOCIETIES that held the true power, and THEY did not want peace.
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