[Mount Athos]

"Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia. A less obvious example Is is guaranteeing neuropsychological services to ensure children with learning disabilities can read and learn to reason."

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Where_Civic_Republicanism_and_Deliberative_Democracy_Meet.pdf

From Ezekiel Emanuel's 1996 Hastings Center article. See link.

[FlingWingFlyer]

If people were required to pay their own medical bills, they wouldn’t have to worry about the health insurance companies or A GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT being involved in their medical decisions. That would be between them and their doctor.

[TCats]

I saw this and I agree. Trust me, when the Gov’t gets complete and truly complicated control over what services will be available there will be much less of the services available. Look at ANY Gov’t operated service (Amtrack, Postal Service, and a host of others). The only ‘Services’ that grow and are emphasized are things that bring in Revenues (IRS, Licensing Authorities, etc.).

The latter have no possibility of Private Sector competition while the former do - And the results are clear.

[Vince Ferrer]

"I don't want somebody in between the doctor and the patient," Dean said today on ABC's "This Week."

Who has the money in this relationship? It isn't the patient, or the doctor, its the government. Its the government-doctor relationship we need to worry about.

In a single payer system, the doctor is dependent on one entity for his or her salary. The has a chilling effect of resisting directives from the government about how health care will be rationed.

[GeronL]

we already reports from Oregon about people being denied care and offered assisted suicide.

what slope?

Its a diving board!

[Question_Assumptions]

[Question_Assumptions]

Note that in every one of these posters, the argument is about the cost (the number followed by RM) to take care of those targeted. Sound familiar?

[skeptoid]

The Gingrich - Dean vid is here.

The euthanasia part starts at 11:30. (drag the bar to 11:20, hit pause and let it load for a while to avoid buffering)
org.whodat :
note that Newt is warning 'not to trust the government' on this, it's a thousand pages, and the door is wide open for 'community standard' which can easily include dictating who should not get health care.

[Sun]

bump

[the invisib1e hand]

howard dean is a deluded, demented psychopath. gingrich, apparently, is the master of understatement. “Slippery slope” indeed. Like the McDonald’s menu is a “slippery slope” to quarter-pounders with cheese.