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To: Captain Kirk
Interestingly, back in 1945, conservatives were more likely to condemn the dropping of the bomb than the New Dealers who wanted to destroy all vestiges of Japanese traditional society.

Where do you come up with that nonsense? All Americans were committed to total, unconditional surrender of the Japanese. The fire bombings of Tokyo killed more people than either Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The Japanese Kamikaze suicide attacks took a terrible toll of US ships and personnel off the coast of Okinawa in April-June 1945. Suicide attacks by planes or boats at Okinawa sank or put out of action at least 30 U.S. warships, and at least three U.S. merchant ships, along with some from other Allied forces. The attacks expended 1,465 planes. Much worse was expected if we invaded Japan on sea and on land.

The idea that there was some partisan divide between conservative Republicans and Democrats in 1945 on how to deal with Japan is pure fantasy.

The conservatives were right.. It wasn't necessary to slaughter thousands of babies, little old ladies, teenagers, and the destroy the center of Japanese Christianity (Nagasaki) to bring an end to the war. Truman could have ended it earlier by agreeing to let the Japanese keep the emperor (which Truman ultimately did anyway).

Just more revisionist history. We were fighting a total war just like the Japanese did. We didn't "slaughter" anyone. We were fighting for our national survival. If you want to talk about slaughter, then take a look at what the Japanese did to China killing millions of people. The Japanese warrior code of Bushido helped to define the way the Japanese fought. Being captured was a sign of weakness and prisoners were shown no respect. True warriors fought to the death. Truman did the right thing.

How old are you. You sound like one of the brainwashed 18-34 year olds who have been fed a line of crap in our failing school systems. FYI: I was born in 1943, served 8 years in the Navy, including a year in Vietnam. My father and his four brother served in WWII with some seeing service in Tarawa, Anzio, and Salerno. They supported Truman's decision as did the vast majority of Americans. And by doing so, we probably saved Japanese lives as well.

I visited the museum in Nagasaki at ground zero in 1967.

40 posted on 08/05/2009 10:55:13 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Where do you come up with that nonsense? All Americans were committed to total, unconditional surrender of the Japanese.

Correction. The final surrender was NOT conditional. The Japanese kept insisting on keeping the emperor even after the two bombings. Truman, who said he he didn't want to "kill more of those kids" agreed to this condition. There were plenty of Americans, including Senator Robert A. Taft (Mr. Republican), who criticized FDR (suddenly a good guy to conservatives!) support for unconditional surrender. Many, many Americans criticized the dropping of the bombs/unconditional surrender including Eisenhower, MacArthur, Robert McCormick, the conservative anti-New Deal publisher of the Chicago Tribune, and Herbert Hoover. If you want the details, you can find all the sources in the New Dealers War by Thomas Fleming.

Again, we have a different view of the rules of war. According to all the traditions of just war theory, which date back for centuries, it is immoral to INTENTIONALLY target babes, little old ladies, and other civilians for slaughter simply as a means simply to terrorizing the enemy. The fact that the Japanese killed lots of Chinese babies for the sole purpose of terrorizing the Chinese is not a defense of the U.S. doing the same.

43 posted on 08/06/2009 9:39:36 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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