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To: naturalman1975

If you meant the Bomford doc was similar to yours, why do you keep posting another document of yours that you now say is different from the one you REALLY meant was similar, that you can’t find?


413 posted on 08/05/2009 5:42:17 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: spacejunkie01

You want me to post a document I can’t find? That’d be a neat trick.

Let me try and explain this clearly.

Australian birth certificates have a standard format in terms of the information contained in them. This standard format applies to the whole country and has for decades.

However, individual states print their own certificates based on that standard format (which doesn’t set rules on matters like fonts, or seals, or state crests etc) and those certificates have changed somewhat from time to time as advances in printing have become available and as the need to become more sophisticated in protecting against forgery became more apparent.

What this means is that Australian birth certificates contain certain features that are common to all of them (at least all since World War II or so) but there’s also some variation from state to state and time to time.

The Bomford birth certificate looks like an Australian birth certificate of the 1950s or 1960s. I haven’t been able to find a South Australian certificate to see if it looks exactly like one, but I have found and posted certificates from New South Wales, Victoria, and Queensland that are all in the same general format, and some of those do look similar to the Bomford certificate. Until this time last year I had Victorian certificates of similar vintage for myself. Because it was getting tattered, I applied for a replacement and I am not sure whether or not I still have one of the older ones. I may have thrown them all out, once I had the new ones, although there may be one in a safe deposit box - I’m not prepared to do a six hour drive to check at the moment, especially seeing I have posted images of other certificates that also match the general pattern I am talking about.

Now - here’s the big point I would make. This was an Australian birth certificate format. It is not the same format used in the United Kingdom. It is not the same format used in New Zealand. It is not the same format used in Canada. It is not the same format used in Rhodesia. It is not the same format used in South Africa. (I’ve confirmed all of those myself). In other words, it is not a format that was common across the Commonwealth - if it was, it would not be at all surprising to find that Kenya has also used the same format. But it wasn’t.

So when I see an alleged Kenyan birth certificate that looks a great deal like an Australian birth certificate in its lay out, but doesn’t look like much like a birth certificate from any other Commonwealth country for which I can find an image for a birth certificate online, that rings serious alarm bells for me about the veracity of this alleged Kenyan birth certificate. Now - it is not impossible that for some reason, Kenya did adopt a format very similar to that of Australia - maybe they looked at all the birth certificate models they could find and liked Australia’s so they copied it. Maybe they even asked us to print them for them. They could have done. They might have done. It would surprise me, but it wouldn’t absolutely astonish me.

If so, at some point, I’m sure another Kenyan birth certificate will emerge that looks similar to this one. If that happens, it will be pretty compelling evidence that the Obama Kenyan birth certificate might be genuine. But until that happens, I’m not going to shy away from pointing out that this alleged Kenyan certificate looks like one from Australia - and not one from Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Rhodesia, or South Africa, suggesting it’s not a standard Commonwealth format which would be easy to explain.

Secondly, I find the suggestions that the Bomford certificate is a forgery based on the Kenyan certificate very hard to credit - why would we doubt the veracity of an Australian birth certificate that looks like an Australian birth certificate in comparison to a Kenyan birth certificate that, so far, nobody has provided any evidence looks like a typical Kenyan birth certificate (some people claim they have other Kenyan certificates that look like this one - great, let’s see them).

I don’t like people whose political views I share being made to look foolish. In my view, it is most likely the alleged Kenyan birth certificate is a forgery based on the Bomford certificate. I find it much easier to believe a birth certificate that looks like an Australian birth certificate comes from Australia, than that it comes from Kenya. Because I don’t want to see Freerepublic made to look like it was mislead, I’m going to speak up and say so, and provide my reasons for feeling that way. As my position is largely based on knowing what Australian birth certificates look like, I scanned and pasted the most available Australian birth certificate I had, knowing it was not identical to the certificate in question, but believing it’s similar enough that the common format features can be seen.

Could I be wrong - sure? I’d prepared to risk being wrong though, I’m even prepared to look like an idiot if I am wrong and somebody shows us that Kenyan birth certificates do look like this, if that helps prevent fellow Freepers being taken in by a fake that turns out to look nothing like a Kenyan birth certificate if I am right.


427 posted on 08/05/2009 6:27:46 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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