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To: mlo

The key word here is “jurisdiction”. For example, Kenya, was part of the British Commonwealth and under English law. Aliens were citizens of theat country who were not British citizens by birth, but were conferred citizenship by virtue of being under British jurisdiction.

We’re not talking illegal aliens here, we’re talking masses of people who were not born as British Citizens but came under British jurisdiction, and were therby conferred citizenship.

BHO senior is a good example, and he conferred British Citizenship to BHO Jr. But BHO Jr. would not be a natural born citizen of Kenya, just as he isn’t of the United States, because BHO Sr’s citizenship was not under the jurisdiction of the United States. Had BHO naturalized, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

I’ve read many opinions on this, and there are certain excerpts that can certainly cause confusion, but when you read the opinion in totality, we revert to English common law when it comes to the deginition of “Natural Born Citizen”, and it is clear-cut.


48 posted on 08/05/2009 6:41:56 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
"The key word here is “jurisdiction”..."

Read this sentence from Wong:

"...every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born."

The jurisdiction exception is laid out right there. If you are the child of an ambassador or of an invading soldier, then you aren't under the jurisdiction. Everyone else in the territory is.

It does not mean having some loyalty or attachment to another country. Even people loyal to another country are under the jurisdiction of the laws of the country they are in. Only diplomats and invading soldiers are not.

49 posted on 08/05/2009 9:00:15 AM PDT by mlo
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
"...we revert to English common law when it comes to the deginition of “Natural Born Citizen”, and it is clear-cut."

Yes it is clear-cut, but it isn't what you are saying it is. Go back and read post #43 again, a decision from the US Supreme Court explaining exactly what the common law was.

50 posted on 08/05/2009 9:09:52 AM PDT by mlo
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