In my experience, there is no government, particularly a third-world government, that asks for less information than before. Governments always become more intrusive, not less intrusive.
What I posted was a form that would make up the birth registry, not a copy of a form that would be provided to the parents. That would be the "record" in their manual database, from which the form that Orly is proffering would be generated.
The Kenyan Birth Registration law is, by their own admission, hopelessly outdated.
What that modern registry page shows us is a lot of good information:
On the good side: It shows how they compile their birth registries. They take individual sheets and bind them into a book. That explains why there would be a "page 5733" in Book 44b. (If it was a pre-bound ledger with a bunch of entries per page, there's no way they'd make a 6,000 page book)
On the down side: it doesn't ask for the birth places of the parents, nor the occupation of the father, nor the birthplace of either parent. Those are simply not questions that a government would stop asking over time.
Do I have "proof" of any of this? No. But from my experience both as a citizen of this country and from somebody who was once in the government (AF), as well as experience having to deal with overseas bureaucracies including those in third world countries, I would say that it is highly, highly unlikely.
If you take a look at this form, originally posted by FReeper cynwoody,
You will note that all of the fields on that form could be filled out from an examination of the registry page:
On the other hand, there is information in the Taitz form:
That couldn't provided from the registry.
This is not to say that the registry form couldn't have been changed to make it simpler, but it's just unlikely that the government would've stopped asking seemingly innocuous questions like: "what's the birthplaces of the parents" or "what's the occupation of the father" or "when were the parents married"
Now the certified birth certificate forms would be likely to change over time, I have no doubt about that. And the information provided on those forms would likely change over time, as well.
But the information that was in the registry is far less likely to change.
You can agree or not. As I said in the other thread, I'm not 100% that the Taitz form is a fake, but I'm moved over to the "doubt it" side, based upon the registry form.
What if it’s not a matter of not asking for that information as much as deciding it’s not necessary to include all of those details on certificate of birth form?
For instance, I would imagine the name of the doctor would probably be recorded in their record books, but it’s not included on the forms. Perhaps, likewise, certain details were deemed over time to not be as necessary for the certificate of birth form even though of course that information could be accessed by going to the original source.
BTW...I’m still very agnostic on this whole issue here...I’m just throwing out questions and thoughts as they come about and believe that we should all take a kind of wait and see attitude regarding the authenticity of what’s been posted.