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To: Jim Robinson; BP2

Well, I think it’s helpful to have a thread considering whether this document is a fake. But I’ve read through most of the responses, and none of them seem to me to confirm that it is a fake.

I think we need to keep digging. But we may also need to wait for a forensic analyst to look at the paper document and compare it with others of the same time, and maybe go to Kenya to investigate, although that’s a bit tricky with Railla Odinga in office as Prime Minister.

As for the argument that Mombasa and the Coastal Province were part of Zanzibar when O was born, there are two arguments against that.

First, Britain had earlier asked the Sultan of Zanzibar to cede control over the province to their colony of Kenya, and there was an agreement to that effect, provided that the religious laws were not interfered with.

Second, at the time the BC is dated, the coastal province WAS a part of Kenya. If you wanted to get a BC for a birth there, you would have to apply to the Kenyan authorities in that province.

And it’s not impossible that officials there liked to refer to themselves in mid 1964 as the Republic of Kenya, even if the Brits were insisting that that wasn’t yet the correct name. Jomo Kenyatta was already in office. And I wouldn’t trust Wikipedia on a loaded political issue like this one.

The date it was issued fits in nicely with the 1964 divorce timeline, as BP2 has argued on the big thread and a separate thread devoted to that point. It’s likely that Stanley Ann obtained a certified birth certificate from Kenya to submit to the judge in her divorce proceedings. It would have been necessary if she wanted child support or if she wanted to apply for welfare benefits. So that very neatly accounts for the date of issue.

It’s too soon to say that this BC is genuine, without further investigation. But I don’t see any reason to declare it a fake, either. None of the objections raised so far are enough to prove that there is anything fake about it.


300 posted on 08/02/2009 7:10:59 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
It’s too soon to say that this BC is genuine, without further investigation. But I don’t see any reason to declare it a fake, either. None of the objections raised so far are enough to prove that there is anything fake about it.

My God, a reasoned post. I want this to be real, but time will prove if it is. We'll have to wait and see as Taitz lines up the experts to scrutinize the document. The defeatists, pessimists, and Dem trolls are so hard to discount this is not genuine over the most flimsy of evidence. Numerology, cleaning supplies, and Kenya couldn't have letterhead that early stating "Republic of Kenya."

361 posted on 08/02/2009 7:43:23 PM PDT by Red Steel
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