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To: savedbygrace; MHGinTN
MHGinTN,

You should've at least glossed over United States v. Wong Kim Ark before you characterized my post as "obamanoid crap."

In that case, Justice Gray wrote, "In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite, when construing, in behalf of the court, the very provision of the Fourteenth Amendment now in question, said: 'The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.' And he proceeded to resort to the common law as an aid in the construction of this provision. 21 Wall. 167."

In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite wrote, "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."

Going back to United States v. Wong Kim Ark, Justice Gray wrote, "It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born."

QED. You lose.

1,164 posted on 08/07/2009 5:36:43 PM PDT by Abd al-Rahiim
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To: Abd al-Rahiim
You pitiful creep, this is not an I lose you win/I win you lose issue. This is about the Constitution, not your malignant narcissistic messiah. The issue is not on Barry Soetoro's citizenship, he may or may not be an American citizen, legally. The issue is whether the bastard is a natural born citizen. And you should have read what I offered to you before spittling off into a diversion.

[[ Taken into account the legislative history behind the citizenship clause - and the courts own stated objective in reaching the conclusion they did while also taking into account two prior Supreme Court holdings - leaves the Wong Kim Ark ruling as worthless as a three-dollar bill. The Court will never be able to sugarcoat over history or deny the acts of Congress in attempt to maintain England’s old feudal common law doctrine in this country at the expense of rendering unethical and legally unsound rulings.

NOTE: The Wong Kim Ark ruling left undisturbed the uniform judicial doctrine since 1885 that said when residence is permanent the child born here of permanent residents should be considered a citizen of the United States. Although not a constitutional controversy under the words or interpretation the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment provided, current federal judicial understanding could be said unsettled under Wong Kim Ark in terms of temporary or illegal residents. [[ http://federalistblog.us/2006/12/us_v_wong_kim_ark_can_never_be_considered.html ]]

1,165 posted on 08/07/2009 6:25:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Abd al-Rahiim; MHGinTN

Nope. The the issue being decided in case you cite only dealt with citizenship, not Natural Born citizenship.

Reading the quotes you included in your reply, and applying the same logic you are using, it would appear you are saying the Court in Wong Kim Ark actually decided the definition of ‘natural-born subjects’ in the U. S.

Do you really mean to conclude that many of us here are SUBJECTS of the United States? Anathema! Traitorous!

We are sovereigns, not subjects.

So, take your QED and introduce it to a place where the sun don’t shine.


1,170 posted on 08/08/2009 5:17:26 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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