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To: Tublecane

I’d recommend some peripheral reading. If you search my posts since yesterday you’ll see several posts on this along with links.

Those links provide detailed discussions with a great deal of linked documentation.

If you read some of the essays and follow the links you’ll become conversant in the topics, otherwise it is just regurgitating what may or may not be accurate here on FR.

Distilled down it goes like this:

Obama claims dual citizenship at birth.

The 14th was aimed first at slaves then others.

The authors of the 14th spoke of sole jurisdiction and undivided allegiance and how the intention of NBC status was for children of citizens, those without undivided loyalties.

The US State Dept states clearly that those with dual citizenship have dual loyalties and are under dual jurisdictions.

Find the links. Follow the links. Read more than just a few quotes from FR.


825 posted on 07/31/2009 3:18:50 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Kenya? Kenya? Kenya just show us the birth certificate?)
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To: Eagle Eye

“and are under dual jurisdictions”

Dual jurisdictions, one which is the U.S., meaning that they are, indeed, under U.S. jurisdiction. The 14th amendment does not say that you must be under the jurisdiction of U.S. law and no other, just that you must be under the jurisdiction of the U.S. And dual citizens are. If they wanted to say that one must be under the jurisdiction of the U.S. and the U.S. alone, it should have said so.

Oh, and what about Wong Kim Ark? He was born to resident aliens, and was of dual citizenship, yet he was a citizen by birthright.


828 posted on 07/31/2009 3:26:43 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Eagle Eye

“Find the links. Follow the links. Read more than just a few quotes from FR.”

Did I not just quote to you from the link, and analyze several arguments from the link? Who is this message for?


838 posted on 07/31/2009 3:42:04 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Eagle Eye

“It appears you want to be spoon fed here and I’ve done more than my part on this.”

I do enjoy reading secondary commentaries. It’d be nice if we had a primary source outlining exactly what natural born meant in 1789 and 1866, respectively. But we don’t. So for now, favorite Birther quotes are fine. I wouldn’t consider providing them spoon feeding. It’s not you educating me so much as you buttressing your own opinion.

I get this feeling that you consider me a lost child, unaware of the mountain of documentary evidence and theory on the subject. I might advise you that the vast, vast majority of legal experts and political pundits alike fall on my side of the issue. So lay off the “Stop bothering me and read everything I’ve read so you can start agreeing with me” stuff.


849 posted on 07/31/2009 4:06:31 PM PDT by Tublecane
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