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To: SvenMagnussen
Furthermore, it’s unlikely the hospital staff would have identified the father’s race as “African.” Hospital staff typed up the form of the Certificate of Life Birth with information gathered from the maternity ward and the parents. The typed form with a pre-assigned number for a particular hospital was then presented to the doctor, administrator and parent for original signature and date of signature.

As AFRICAN does NOT appear as a category on any census or as a race, and likely NOT entered by a state-recognized "certifier" such as an M.D., nurse or midwife -- who would know that AFRICAN is not a race. It DOES sound like something an inexperienced 18-year-old mother might due, especially

I think it's possible that Ann did NOT give birth in a hospital, mailing the form in. The Local Registrar FILED the form as a vital statistic, instead of the form being ACCEPTED by the STATE REGISTRAR.

In my mind, the NEXT question is from WHERE and WHEN did Ann mail in the form to be FILED to register the birth of Barack Hussein Obama II. And is it his REAL, FIRST original birth certificate?

230 posted on 07/31/2009 10:26:49 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

Since this is either the third or fourth COLB which was applied for, and the names had been changed on previous documents, it would seem that the information on the last COLB was supplied by 0 himself, and would NOT be on the original long form he refuses to release. Hawaii allows this according to their revised statutes, as long as the applicant can provide documentation that the information is true. His father was African. That is what HE wanted the thing to reflect, whether for political reasons or other. Political, I would say.
Still not proof he was born in Hawaii or anywhere else in the US.


231 posted on 07/31/2009 10:50:21 PM PDT by MestaMachine (OREO, Milk's favorite cookie. At least that's what my TV said.)
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To: BP2

“I think it’s possible that Ann did NOT give birth in a hospital, mailing the form in. The Local Registrar FILED the form as a vital statistic, instead of the form being ACCEPTED by the STATE REGISTRAR.”

Please see post #142 by BP2:
“DATE ACCEPTED BY STATE REGISTRAR” means the vital record was accepted as “official” document, signed by an official “certifier” who functions as a state-recognized witness of a birth, such as an M.D. or midwife.

“DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR”, most often means that the person may NOT have a state-recognized official “certifier” present at birth, but may have a person NON-state-recognized person present, such as an “informant”. The baby may have been born at home, on a plane, in a taxi stuck in traffic, perhaps by a retired doctor, etc. A “Certificate of Late Birth” may get the “Date Accepted by Registrar” designation too, or “Option BC3” as reported in WND.”

The indisputable FACT that Obama’s COLB uses “Date Filed” instead of “Date Accepted” is EXTREMELY STRONG EVIDENCE that Obama was not born in a Honolulu hospital as claimed. If he was delivered in Kapi’olani by Dr. Rodney West, as claimed by Snopes.com, for example (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp) Dr. West would have signed the certificate; it then would have “Date Accepted” on it.

This emphasizes the importance of being able to see the long-form BC, to see who actually attested to Obama’s birth. Was it his mother? If so, don’t we have evidence that she lied on other official forms to help her children? More importantly, if he really was not born in Kapi’olani as claimed, the question is why Obama and all his minions have been doing cartwheels to claim otherwise.

This also may help explain the discrepancy between Obama’s BC # and that of the Nordyke twins. They were born on 8/5, but parents didn’t sign certificate until 8/7 (probably on the day they left hospital?) and the birth attendant didn’t sign until 8/11. Their certificates were accepted by the local registrar and state registrar on that same day.

Obama was born a day earlier, but his certificate was “filed” on 8/8. The Nordyke twins certificate helps demonstrate that “the doctor wasn’t around to sign” excuse is an invalid explanation for why Obama’s certificate lacks a doctor’s signature: quite clearly, because of the importance of getting the doctor’s signature, the hospital was willing and able to delay filing the certificate for several days until that happened.

All the Obama COLB “proves” is that someone in early August 1961 was willing to claim he was born in Honolulu. That somebody could have been a teen mother who delivered in Vancouver days or weeks earlier, i.e., taking advantage of free medical care (i.e., to avoid burdening parents already miffed about her having gotten pregnant out of wedlock to an already-married African or perhaps simply to conserve the limited budget of newlyweds). This same mother, perhaps already recognizing the fragility of her own fledgling marriage, may also have had strong motivations to ensure her son at least had the advantages associated with U.S. citizenship.

In light of these possibilities, what the COLB manifestly does NOT prove is that the president is a natural born citizen.


237 posted on 08/01/2009 11:01:43 AM PDT by DrC
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