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To: Dr. Eckleburg; pissant; P-Marlowe

“nationals and citizens...AT BIRTH” = “natural born”

“Natural born” is all about being “born” a citizen of the US.

Some are not “born” citizens and have to be granted citizenship at some point AFTER birth. Many believe that is the case with Obama. There is no doubt that he is NOW a citizen. The question is whether he was automatically a citizen at birth.

If his mother, 18 at the time of his birth, was overseas with her man, Obama Sr., in his native country, then BO’s mom did NOT fulfill the 5 year requirement for residency after the age of 14 listed in the law above.

I understand that to be the legal argument against BO’s “born a US citizen” status.


131 posted on 07/31/2009 4:39:22 AM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends all who ask Him for help.)
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To: xzins
-- "nationals and citizens...AT BIRTH" = "natural born"
"Natural born" is all about being "born" a citizen of the US.
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I believe that citizen-at-birth is a necessary, but not a sufficient basis for finding "natural born citizen" for constitutional purposes, under the intention of the founders.

If one adopts the construction you advocate, then an infant born to illegal aliens, literally with allegiance to a foreign nation, and raised with allegiance to a foreign nation, is "natural born" and therefore eligible. But the writings of the day bothered to notice the allegiance of the parents. Your analysis doesn't notice the allegiance of the parents, at all.

132 posted on 07/31/2009 6:00:51 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; pissant; P-Marlowe
Great thread! :)

“nationals and citizens...AT BIRTH” = “natural born”

That's how I see it too. If he was born in HI then I think it's game over, he is eligible to be President regardless of the citizenship of the parents. The Constitution does not define it, and the US Code seems to say that an anchor baby would be fully able to run. (Does anyone have info that an anchor baby couldn't run?) If it could be showed that he was born in Kenya, or anywhere else outside of the US, it gets more tricky.

If his mother, 18 at the time of his birth, was overseas with her man, Obama Sr., in his native country, then BO’s mom did NOT fulfill the 5 year requirement for residency after the age of 14 listed in the law above.

This assumes he was born overseas (which is fine), but I'm not sure how he fails if you are referring to subsection "g" from your post 128. That says in part: "(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years" (emphasis added)

The mother was present in the US for five years (say from the age of 13-17), and two of those years were after 14.

167 posted on 08/01/2009 1:43:13 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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