[BP2]

I'm not ready to accept that based upon ALL of the other information out there about Ann Dunham's whereabouts in 1961. I'm more likely to believe that there was NO certificate number to begin with for Obama (sloppy record keeping), and the state "created" one for him (by his request, or his mother/grandmother) to make everything official.

While a proposed certificate was submitted (Date Filed by Registrar), it does NOT appear that it was ever accepted (Date Accepted by Registrar).

Accepted vs Filed (at bottom left of both forms):

Which makes the statement by Department of Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino all the more curious:

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,"

[LS]

Wow. I’m more confused than ever. It’s a blizzard. The most obvious thing is that the forms are different, and that it should be stunningly easy for Obama to produce the actual, real, form that looks like the twins’ form.

[binary]

I'm more likely to believe that there was NO certificate number to begin with for Obama (sloppy record keeping), and the state "created" one for him (by his request, or his mother/grandmother) to make everything official.

A question to ask then would be this: do you think the number they used on 0bamas certificate was reused (stolen) from another birth or was unused and available at right around the time 0bama 'needed to be born'. That just does not seem highly likely.

If there was a conspiracy it more likely was perpetrated by the mother or grandmother back in 1961 to confer US citizenship for reasons other than a possible run for the white house. This type of conspiracy would involve less participants and be a simpler solution to the question.

[binary]

I'm more likely to believe that there was NO certificate number to begin with for Obama (sloppy record keeping), and the state "created" one for him (by his request, or his mother/grandmother) to make everything official.

A question to ask then would be this: do you think the number they used on 0bamas certificate was reused (stolen) from another birth or was unused and available at right around the time 0bama 'needed to be born'. That just does not seem highly likely.

If there was a conspiracy it more likely was perpetrated by the mother or grandmother back in 1961 to confer US citizenship for reasons other than a possible run for the white house. This type of conspiracy would involve less participants and be a simpler solution to the question.

[cmj328]

See post #271 for another short form with 4-digit year.