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To: Houghton M.
You make my point. There is no linguistic difference between certificate and certification

I absolutely do not make your point, nor do you. Certification is a process or an act. A certificate a tangible thing, usually a written or printed piece of paper.

The Hawaiian "Certificate of Birth" is the old typed paper document, and the source document of birth record information from the years in which it was used.

The "Certification of Live Birth" is a computer printed document that says they went through some process to determine the facts of a particular birth, or they examined an original source document and printed those facts out on a new piece of paper, certifying that that information presented has been verified.

And the state is correct to call the document a certificate and the process a certification.

328 posted on 07/28/2009 11:07:24 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

You have two documents. THey both certify, they both provide certification. You are right that certification is a process and a certificate is a document. But what your bureaucrats call the process of certification is carried out how?

By providing a second, different document. Both documents are certificates. Both documents certify. Both documents provide certification.

The bureaucrats have decreed that the one document, which they call a certificate, certifies x and y and z. They also decree that document 2 (certificate 2) should not be called “a certificate” but a “certification.”

They are illiterate. And their stupid illiteracy produces confusion. If they just used clearly distinct words to label document/certificate 1 and document/certificate 2, things would be clearer.

Linguistically speaking, there is no difference between a certificate which certifies and produces certification and a certification which takes place by means of a certificate.

The bureaucrats won’t call the second certificate a certificate but will call it a document.

If you can’t see that the distinction they make between certificate and certification is entirely artificial and created by them, I’m sorry.

They could avoid all this by using clearly distinct words for the levels of certification provided by the two distinct documents/certificates.

But they don’t. And you’ve drunk their lilnguistic koolaid.


342 posted on 07/28/2009 11:57:05 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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