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To: MtnClimber

Where is that little detail documented ?

Not disagreeing or pushing if you don’t have a source no big deal. But that is an interesting aspect as it would explain teh whole thing.


99 posted on 07/27/2009 7:48:16 PM PDT by lucias_clay (Its times like this I'm glad I'm a whig.)
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To: lucias_clay

You said — Not disagreeing or pushing if you don’t have a source no big deal. But that is an interesting aspect as it would explain teh whole thing.

Now that the State of Hawaii has announced that Obama is a natural born citizen, I wuold say that this will kill the other issue. That issue that you’re asking about is probably “deader than a doornail” about now...


112 posted on 07/27/2009 8:00:19 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: lucias_clay
I am searching for the statute. The term "natural born citizen" is different from the term "US Citizen" since citizens can be naturalized, but be ineligible for presidency.

From WND: According to FindLaw.com, which is cited by [Jim]Geraghty, the requirements that were in force from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986, encompassing the time of Obama's birth, state, "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."

Also there is not much question that Obama had to give up his US citizenship when he was adopted by his Indonesian step father. So he is now either still an Indonesian citizen or a naturalized US citizen. Does this mean that he is no longer a natural born citizen? I don't think any court precident exists for this scenario.

133 posted on 07/27/2009 8:20:02 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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To: lucias_clay

On further searching, this statute was for children born outside the USA with only one parent being a US citizen. Hawaii was a state when Obama was born. If he was born in Hawaii he would have been a natural born citizen. This does not answer if he could become a natural born citizen again after changing citizenship to Indonesian.


137 posted on 07/27/2009 8:27:14 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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To: lucias_clay
Where is that little detail documented ?She was incorrect, it's not 21, and it has nothing to do with "natural born" citizenship. It deals with "citizen at birth" by statute.

But, it's US CODE > TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401

Be sure to check the notes link, which indicates a change to the current law in 1986 from 10 years 5 after the 14th birthday to 5 years, 2 after the 14th birthday of the US citizen parent.

but the law does not deine "natural born citizen" nor can it.

255 posted on 07/27/2009 11:26:00 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: lucias_clay; Star Traveler; MtnClimber; El Gato
Where is that little detail documented ?

8 USC §1401:

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

El Gato is absolutely right that the time was changed from 10 years / 4 years to 5 years / 2 years as it is currently.

If it can be proven that Ø was not born in the US, then it would also need to be shown that his mother left the country before her 18th birthday. Otherwise, where he was born is irrelevant...other than possibly an issue for political embarrassment.

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289 posted on 07/28/2009 2:52:53 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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