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The Boys At Talk-Polywell Have Struck Paydirt
IECFusion Blog ^ | June 17, 2009 | MSimon

Posted on 07/27/2009 6:46:22 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog

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https://www.neco.navy.mil/.../N6893609R0044RFP_09-R-0044.pdf

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/06/fusion_energy.html

1 posted on 07/27/2009 6:46:24 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Forum software forces me to post this in the “Bloggers” section, but this is NEWS of the first order. Mods are asked to so move the post.


2 posted on 07/27/2009 6:48:23 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Synopsizing it with a sentence on what the hell it’s actually talking about would probably save a lot of headaches. As it is, it just looks like someone tore a couple pages out of a high energy physics journal and posted them...


3 posted on 07/27/2009 6:52:56 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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This refers to a new way to do nuclear fusion that promises to be much more usable than magnetic confinement. The Navy has been playing things pretty close to the vest, but this PUBLIC "Request for Proposal" reveals some key details, especially the section about testing P-B11 (proton, boron-11) fusion, which produces MANY, MANY fewer neutrons, and allows a much more efficient means of extracting energy from the fusion reactor.

Yeah, only science geeks are likely to understand this at first "pop", but the links in comments can get a generally intelligent reader "up to speed".

4 posted on 07/27/2009 6:59:19 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Axenolith

It is actually quite rude too. It is like speaking Spanish in a group of English speakers when you can also speak English. That’s always been a pet peeve of mine.


5 posted on 07/27/2009 7:00:02 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Wonder Warthog

>>but the links in comments can get a generally intelligent reader “up to speed”. <<

How about us not so generally intelligent? ;-)


6 posted on 07/27/2009 7:03:21 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Wonder Warthog

So it’s a flux capacitor?


7 posted on 07/27/2009 7:04:09 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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"So it’s a flux capacitor?"

Nah. It's the gizmo the POWERS the flux capacitor (Mr. Fusion).

8 posted on 07/27/2009 7:06:58 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: netmilsmom

http://www.strout.net/info/science/polywell/index.html


9 posted on 07/27/2009 7:09:17 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog

This is great news.

The Polywell is the only Nuclear energy device that’s actually working and scalable. Once it’s scaled up to full size, it’s a quick few steps to making cheap and clean electricity.


10 posted on 07/27/2009 7:10:30 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: Axenolith

I understood everything here without even looking at it ....

keep in mind that at 100 milliwatts for a follow on reactor they are starting to get into the power range. If they can get that kind of power with .3 m dia. coils and .8 T fields, then a reactor with 3 m coils and 10 T fields should produce about 2.5 Mega Watts if the scaling laws hold.


11 posted on 07/27/2009 7:10:57 AM PDT by woofie
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To: Wonder Warthog

“If WB-7 was similar to WB-6 it means an increase from 3 neutrons a shot to 12,000. A real countable number i.e the error bars will be much lower. A count of 3 can actually be considered a count of 3 +/-2. That is a big error bar.”

Paydirt for Polywell, isn’t the same thing as a revolutionary new power generator for the rest of us. I mean, I’m glad the results are good enough to proceed. That said, this is make or break time. If the scaling model is wrong, then this is another cold fusion mess. Good luck to the team.


12 posted on 07/27/2009 7:13:32 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: tiki; Wonder Warthog

Well, I’ll give Wonder a “buy” on this one ‘cause of the way-cool factor.

That said, it’s always an obligation of us science types to throw in a layman paragraph and/or define all the acronyms that tend to litter technical documents. I’m in the habit of generally doing so with respect to the latter because we have to do it in all of our reports.


13 posted on 07/27/2009 7:16:23 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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"Paydirt for Polywell, isn’t the same thing as a revolutionary new power generator for the rest of us. I mean, I’m glad the results are good enough to proceed. That said, this is make or break time. If the scaling model is wrong, then this is another cold fusion mess."

Well, I would say that the fact that the Navy is planning to explore PB11 that the results must have been "really, really good". And no, it won't be "another cold fusion mess", at worst it will be on a par with the Tokamak. Nebel has been VERY careful to do peer review.

14 posted on 07/27/2009 7:18:00 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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>>Nah. It’s the gizmo the POWERS the flux capacitor (Mr. Fusion). <<

Ooooo, you got it!
I guess smart people watch old movies too.

Anyway, thanks for the article and explanation (even more). My nine year old would probably understand what’s going on here (yes, I’m pushing her toward Science) but it’s a bit over my head.

I hope this works. I’m tired of 200.00 electric bills.


15 posted on 07/27/2009 7:27:04 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: neverdem; grey_whiskers

Ping of interest


16 posted on 07/27/2009 7:28:48 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: woofie

I didn’t have any trouble noodling it out after reading the whole thing and going back over some stuff, but there’s plenty of folks here who’d appreciate the “meat” of this story without having to open a simultaneous window to a search engine and spending an hour looking up stuff like mW, Teslas, etc...

I only nitpick on the subject because it’s the primary reason that people outside of the hard sciences dislike and mistrust scientists. You either get painted the elitist, or on the other hand some bozo in the media takes the core concept and runs off on some crazy tangent with it.

Technical concepts can usually be broken down and reasonably explained to the layperson with a little effort on our part and that effort is usually rewarded with greater respect and a piquing of interest on their part.


17 posted on 07/27/2009 7:30:03 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Axenolith
"That said, it’s always an obligation of us science types to throw in a layman paragraph and/or define all the acronyms that tend to litter technical documents."

Well, it was either post it with minimal comments, or wait 'til the weekend to get the time to assemble such a commentary. I figured getting it out ASAP would be preferable, even if "rough".

18 posted on 07/27/2009 7:34:59 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I prefer WD-40.


19 posted on 07/27/2009 7:39:16 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: Axenolith

I was joking about understanding it....

I still think it is about toy death rays or possibly lizard people that eat anti-matter


20 posted on 07/27/2009 7:41:52 AM PDT by woofie
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