Liz Cheney: No question on citizenship (+ video)

Politico ^ | 7-22-09 | Ben Smith

[Eagle Eye]

Nah, we’ll just ask the candidates if they support proving Article 2 eligibility....that is if they actually support and defend the Constitution.

Or not.

[ml/nj]

The issue of zero’s BC seems to generate a significant amount of agitation among certain demographics.

Are you thinking of sp*cs or schwatzas? You know what? The ones who would be "agitated" don't care about me and I don't care about them. They are never going to be on our side politically as long as they see they can push us around; and push us around they are doing. I say, "Enough!" (I would quote Shakespear's Antony, but I fear that in so doing I would be misunderstood.)

ML/NJ

[LWEpatriot]

“the fringe movement that doubts Obama’s citizenship”

According to libs, allegiance to the Constitution is “fringe”. Well libs, if dictatorship is the only type of government you’re willing to live under, then I say get the hell out of our country and move to North Korea or Syria and take your Kenyan terrorist with you...

[ichabod1]

Yet when they do that, they keep that issue alive. Must be hard to be “that man.” Must be hard to sleep at night knowing how many tongues have to be kept silent to avoid that truth inconveniently coming out.

[Star Traveler]

Well, that’s the thing, if you’re a leftist, you’re not trying to keep the tongues silent. That’s because it works in the leftists’ favor if they are developing that strategy that I’m talking about.

But, I really doubt that he has a problem sleeping at night because of that issue. The time that I would think he would have a problem would have been before the election. Now..., he’s been elected.

However, you’re presuming something here that has not been determined yet (and would figure into the “sleeping” theory that you’re presenting). If he is qualified, then how would that affect his sleeping... (that’s another plausible position)....

[jamese777]

The birther movement is a false flag operation carried out by David Plouffe, the Obama Campaign manager. The fact that so many have fallen for it just shows its success.
The fact is that if anyone really wanted to see Obama’s birth certificate, it can be subpoenaed under Hawaii law by court order.
No one has attempted to gain a subpoena for the original document. That ought to tell anyone of intelligence all that they need to know about this issue.

[Plummz]

Several people have been trying to subpoena the Hawaii birth records. Pay attention.

[jamese777]

“Several people have been trying to subpoena the Hawaii birth records. Pay attention.

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Learn a little about the law before shooting off your mouth and ending up looking like an idiot.

Under Hawaii law, only a person authorized by “a court of competent jurisdiction” can subpoena a confidential birth record. The most likely person to be able to get a subpoena would be the current Republican Attorney General of Hawaii Mark Bennett. All the Attorney General’s office would need to do is initiate a grand jury investigation as to whether Obama’s internet posted Certification of Live Birth is forged or fraudulent.

[Plummz]

Yes, and several crooked Hawaiian have refused to authorize any persons, and to your original point, several crooked federal courts have refused to authorize any subpoenas.

Good luck getting your AG friend to give a damn, though ...

[jamese777]

Yes, and several crooked Hawaiian have refused to authorize any persons, and to your original point, several crooked federal courts have refused to authorize any subpoenas.

Good luck getting your AG friend to give a damn, though ...

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No one has sought a federal subpoena because a federal subpoena wouldn’t work on a Hawaii law, and EVERYONE should be putting pressure on Mark Bennett, the current Attorney General of Hawaii who is a Republican and most of all, Linda Lingle the current Republican Governor of Hawaii who endorsed John McCain and was a speaker at the Republican National Convention should be putting pressure on Bennett to seek a subpoena. In over a year that this issue has been on the table, NOTHING.

[Plummz]

Andy Martin and Alan Keyes both tried to subpoena the records in Hawaii courts and were shut down by crooked by judges. Maybe your AG friend will do better.

Your plan to get help from a governor who endorsed a Panamanian-born candidate doesn’t sound to be very fruitful. She obviously didn’t care about the Constitution in the fall; why would she now?

Did your AG friend back the ineligible Panamanian also?

[April Lexington]

Why should someone be branded a “nut” just because they ask for the protections afforded under the United States Constitution? The “nut” is the affirmative action figure who is spending millions of dollars to keep records and information from the idiots who elected him. Reading the constitution and believing that we still have rights thereunder does not make one a “nut.” Believing in the myth of Obama makes one a “nut.”

[April Lexington]

The birther movement is a false flag operation carried out by David Plouffe, the Obama Campaign manager. The fact that so many have fallen for it just shows its success. The fact is that if anyone really wanted to see Obama’s birth certificate, it can be subpoenaed under Hawaii law by court order. No one has attempted to gain a subpoena for the original document. That ought to tell anyone of intelligence all that they need to know about this issue.

Pulled directly from the rectum of yet another Obama dreamer... This boy needs to read the history of this case...

[jamese777]

Andy Martin and Alan Keyes both tried to subpoena the records in Hawaii courts and were shut down by crooked by judges. Maybe your AG friend will do better.

Your plan to get help from a governor who endorsed a Panamanian-born candidate doesn’t sound to be very fruitful. She obviously didn’t care about the Constitution in the fall; why would she now?

Did your AG friend back the ineligible Panamanian also?

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What part of an officer of a court of competent jurisdiction is in the best legal position to ask for a subpoena of a confidential vital record don’t you understand?

Here’s the exact section of the Hawaii law. We are talking about point 9 below. Neither Alan Keyes nor Andy Martin nor Philip Berg nor Leo Donofrio nor any other citizen filing a civil suit has standing to gain access to a confidential vital record. But a duly authorized officer of the court such as a District Attorney or the state Attorney General WOULD have standing to seek such a subpoena.
The only lawsuit that challenged John McCain’s right to run for President of the United States while being born in Panama was Leo Donofrio’s suit which was denied a writ of certiorari by the US Supreme Court for lack of standing.

§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a)To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b)The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1)The registrant;

(2)The spouse of the registrant;

(3)A parent of the registrant;

(4)A descendant of the registrant;

(5)A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;

(6)A legal guardian of the registrant;

(7)A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;

(8)A personal representative of the registrant’s estate;

***(9)A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;

(10)Adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and who need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child’s natural or legal parents;

(11)A person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;

(12)A person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and

(13)A person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.

[Plummz]

Yes, exactly, point 9. “A court of competent jurisdiction” could have “established by an order” that “a person” (Keyes, Martin...) has a “right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record.”

What part don’t you understand?

All of the courts of competent jurisdiction thus far petitioned (of which you claimed there were none, but there are in fact at least two as noted above) has so far been too crooked to establish such an obvious right.