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To: jamese777
The state of Hawaii no longer issues “long form” birth certificates, only the short form. The short form is acceptable for all legal purposes including federal issuance of passports. The same is true in many states. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-

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That may be true, but think about the following:

1. A person running for president must be at least, I believe, 35 years old.

2. A person born in Hawaii at least 35 years ago decides to run for President.

3. Important: I would think that most persons born in Hawaii at least 35 years ago would have a copy of their birth certificate from 35 years ago.

4. My point is this: I believe that 35 years ago Hawaii DID issue long form birth certificates, the one with the doctor and hospital names on it.

5. I would also suspect that if a person 35 years or older lost his birth certificate, say, 20 years ago, Hawaii would sent him a long form birth certificate 20 years ago or even 10 or 5 years ago, if he requested it.

6. President Obama: Do you really think that Hawaii would turn down the President of the United States if he asked for a copy of his long form birth certificate from 1961?

7. And if, for some unbelievable reason, Hawaii did turn down President Obama's request to get a copy of his long form birth certificate, do you really believe that a Hawaiian federal judge would also turn down President Obama's request, through his high-priced lawyers, to get a copy of his long form birth certificate? I don't think so.

8. Finally, why would then Senator Obama request a copy of his Hawaii birth certificate in 2007, because the date stamped on the birth certificate we see on the internet is stamped 2007?

9. Do you think that Obama lost his birth certifcate stamped with the date 1961, the year when he says that he was born, and that is the reason why he had to send away for a new one in 2007?

184 posted on 07/15/2009 10:28:16 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: john mirse

The state of Hawaii no longer issues “long form” birth certificates, only the short form. The short form is acceptable for all legal purposes including federal issuance of passports. The same is true in many states. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-
*****

That may be true, but think about the following:

1. A person running for president must be at least, I believe, 35 years old.

2. A person born in Hawaii at least 35 years ago decides to run for President.

3. Important: I would think that most persons born in Hawaii at least 35 years ago would have a copy of their birth certificate from 35 years ago.

4. My point is this: I believe that 35 years ago Hawaii DID issue long form birth certificates, the one with the doctor and hospital names on it.

5. I would also suspect that if a person 35 years or older lost his birth certificate, say, 20 years ago, Hawaii would sent him a long form birth certificate 20 years ago or even 10 or 5 years ago, if he requested it.

6. President Obama: Do you really think that Hawaii would turn down the President of the United States if he asked for a copy of his long form birth certificate from 1961?

7. And if, for some unbelievable reason, Hawaii did turn down President Obama’s request to get a copy of his long form birth certificate, do you really believe that a Hawaiian federal judge would also turn down President Obama’s request, through his high-priced lawyers, to get a copy of his long form birth certificate? I don’t think so.

8. Finally, why would then Senator Obama request a copy of his Hawaii birth certificate in 2007, because the date stamped on the birth certificate we see on the internet is stamped 2007?

9. Do you think that Obama lost his birth certifcate stamped with the date 1961, the year when he says that he was born, and that is the reason why he had to send away for a new one in 2007?


The name of the doctor and the name of the hospital where a person was born are not required under the US Constitution. The only information required on a legal document issued by the governing state authority are: (1)Place of birth and (2) date of birth. The constitutional questions are: can a candidate for president verify the date that they were born and whether they were born within the United States.
Excerpted from the St. Petersburg Times article that I linked: “The Health Department says the ‘Certification of Live Birth’ is Hawaii’s version of a birth certificate. Calling it by other names — Certificate of Live Birth, Certification of Live Birth — is just semantics. ...the original birth certificate wasn’t posted, but...Hawaii says the document Obama posted can rightly be called Obama’s birth certificate...”

If Obama or George Washingon for that matter was born at home and delivered by a midwife, they are still eligible if they are now 35 years of age and the birth took place on US soil.

If a person requests their “birth certificate” from the State Department of Vital Records, they are sent the short form computer print out. That version is accepted by the federal government.

In the state of Hawaii, the short form “Certification of Live Birth” has a statement at the bottom of the document which says: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in all court procedings.” The COLB is accepted as valid proof of the date and place of birth for purposes of running for office.

Any voter who requires more information than that should vote against a candidate who doesn’t provide more information to satisfy the voter but the presidential candidate providing a document from a state governing authority listing a date of birth and a state of birth has met the requirements of the US Constitution.

Hawaii WOULD indeed turn down the request for issuance of a long form certificate. They would not treat a celebrity politician any differently than they would treat an average citizen.

NOBODY in 2009 can get a copy of the long form in Hawaii from the State Department of Vital Records since the year 2000 when they computerized all birth records.

Over a year ago questions were raised about Obama’s birth place. He requested his “birth certificate” from the state and they sent him what they send to everybody.
By the way, under Hawaii statutes (338-18(b)(9), any prosecuting attorney, such as the current Republican Attorney General of Hawaii can subpoena a birth record. No one has attempted to get a subpoena to date.
Here’s a link to the law:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2006/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.HTM
Now why do you think that neither the Republican Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle (who spoke at the Republican convention and who endorsed and campaigned for John McCain) nor the Republican Attorney General of Hawaii Mark Bennett have sought a subpoena for Obama’s original birth record?


207 posted on 07/16/2009 9:00:12 AM PDT by jamese777
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