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Soldier balks at deploying; says Obama isn’t president
Ledger Enquirer ^ | Tuesday, Jul. 14, 2009 | Lily Gordon

Posted on 07/14/2009 5:16:06 AM PDT by NMEwithin

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To: steve-b
"When do you think IS the right time & place?

This clown should have resigned his commission when Obama was sworn in if that's his problem, not tried to stage this manifestly phony attempt to get out of being sent somewhere where there's shooting going on."

Smearing, name calling & implying that the Major is a coward is what liberals do. Unless you know him & still stand behind what you are asserting about him...I think you owe him an apology.

When a person stands on principle, he does not deserve what you are claiming.

Perhaps you don't have the same integrity & love of country that the Major does.

141 posted on 07/14/2009 9:02:11 AM PDT by LADY J
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To: armymarinedad
"At this time Obama is the legitimate President."

That is the point of debate around which this entire matter revolves. Obama is occupying the office, certainly, but whether or not he is qualified to do so has not been resolved to the major's satisfaction.

Should someone present evidence to the contrary then Maj Cook would be right in his actions."

I believe that is precisely what the major's attorney's intend to do, circumstantial though it may be. They are merely asking for a proverbial "day in court," in which the Obamanites present what they have to refute the allegations.

142 posted on 07/14/2009 9:03:01 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: LADY J

Sorry, but the facts speak for themselves. Someone motivated by honest belief that Barack Obama is not the legitimate President would have resigned his commission as soon as the usurper moved in. Someone motivated by desire to protect his own skin from the hazards of combat would have... well, would have done exactly what this guy did.


143 posted on 07/14/2009 9:04:17 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"Obama himself isn't ordering this 'officer' to report, someone in his hierarchy is."

Whoever in the officer's chain of command ordered him to report did so under the authority of the president.

It's that authority that's in question.

144 posted on 07/14/2009 9:04:56 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: stuartcr
I wonder how far he would get if he was just an E-2 or E-3?

No matter. His military career is over. The Major is making quite a sacrifice. I hope it is not in vain.

145 posted on 07/14/2009 9:05:51 AM PDT by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet)
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To: armymarinedad
"At this time Obama is the legitimate President. Should someone present evidence to the contrary then Maj Cook would be right in his actions."

That's the point. The Major is doing exactly that! He is asking for that evidence.

146 posted on 07/14/2009 9:06:57 AM PDT by LADY J
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To: armymarinedad

“At this time Obama is the legitimate President.”

And you know this HOW? Which brings us to the crux of this whole debate. Have you seen his real birth certificate?


147 posted on 07/14/2009 9:08:54 AM PDT by Principle Over Politics
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To: LADY J
Perhaps you don't have the same integrity & love of country that the Major does.

Since we're talking about integrity, would you support an officer who refused to go to Afghanistan in 2003 on the grounds that George W. Bush had stolen the election and therefore was not the legitimate Commander in Chief?

148 posted on 07/14/2009 9:09:20 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: steve-b
"Someone motivated by honest belief that Barack Obama is not the legitimate President would have resigned his commission as soon as the usurper moved in"

You have jumped to conclusions about the Major's motives! Of course he could have resigned!!

He chose to stay and expose the usurper.

The way you would do it is the cowardly way because it would not solve anything about exposing Obama being a legitimate President.

149 posted on 07/14/2009 9:15:41 AM PDT by LADY J
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To: steve-b
"Perhaps you don't have the same integrity & love of country that the Major does.

Since we're talking about integrity, would you support an officer who refused to go to Afghanistan in 2003 on the grounds that George W. Bush had stolen the election and therefore was not the legitimate Commander in Chief? "

Yes I would. Same circumstances - different President.

150 posted on 07/14/2009 9:18:18 AM PDT by LADY J
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To: Joe 6-pack

If we suppose enough, we can come up with just about anything.


151 posted on 07/14/2009 9:18:35 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: NMEwithin
Cook's lawyer, Orly Taitz, who has also challenged the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency in other courts, filed a request last week in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order


152 posted on 07/14/2009 9:19:37 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: stuartcr

The law is largely based on hypotheticals and “what ifs”. The Major’s concern is, apparently, the legitimacy of deploying on orders of one not in a position to lawfully issue those orders. That is the hard matter, and a there are countless hypotheticals as to the ramifications and consequence of serving abroad in an illegitimate capacity. None of them are good.


153 posted on 07/14/2009 9:21:40 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Time will tell if this was all in vain or not.


154 posted on 07/14/2009 9:25:19 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr

Certainly it will...I have my own suspicions as to how this will play out.


155 posted on 07/14/2009 9:28:24 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack
I have my own suspicions as to how this will play out.

I suspect that they'll throw the book at this guy -- insubordination, expressing contempt for the Commander in Chief, conduct unbecoming an officer, conduct prejudicial to good order and discipling, whatever else they can think of.

156 posted on 07/14/2009 9:34:26 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: steve-b

If it goes to that (which it may very well) it will be interesting to see how this compares to the case of Lieutenant Watada.


157 posted on 07/14/2009 9:39:46 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack; LADY J; Principle Over Politics

I believe that is precisely what the major's attorney's intend to do, circumstantial though it may be. They are merely asking for a proverbial "day in court," in which the Obamanites present what they have to refute the allegations

It's up to the Major to prove his orders are illegal, not Obama to prove they are. The Major has no solid proof.

158 posted on 07/14/2009 10:15:16 AM PDT by armymarinedad (Support, v., To take the side of; to uphold or help.)
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To: armymarinedad
The major has specific questions, one might even argue a "preponderance of evidence" to suspect that the CinC is not lawfully holding his office, and could submit volumes of circumstantial evidence to that effect. It is his duty to question an order he finds of dubious legality. While the O may not be under a legal obligation to prove his legitimacy, one would argue it is his ethical obligation to provide clarification of the legality of his order (i.e. proof of his qualification to hold office).
159 posted on 07/14/2009 10:22:25 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: armymarinedad

Whether the Major has proof or not was not my question to you. You stated as fact that Obama was the legitimate President and my question to you was how you knew that as a fact. How do YOU know this? Did YOU see his birth certificate?


160 posted on 07/14/2009 10:41:51 AM PDT by Principle Over Politics
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