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To: GodGunsGuts
So now you want to throw abiogenesis in with common descent rather than dealing with evolution.

Evolution: genetic change of a population in response to environmental pressure.

By suggesting that ERV’s act to increase genetic diversity and act to adapt a population to its environment you are signing on to them being an agent of evolution.

So is a population becoming better adapted to its environment evolution or de-evolution GGG? Is becoming better adapted to your environment “genomic degeneration”?

No, incorporation of an ERV is not extremely rare and it can be studied and even induced by infecting cells with an RNA virus.

Despite your assertion that ERV insertion is all somehow preprogrammed and deterministic; if I study the insertion of an ERV into a DNA chromosome I can do a thousand insertion events and get a thousand DIFFERENT insertion points. If only Creationists were right on this one little thing it would be a boon to biology as if we could actually DIRECT ERV insertion and gene therapy wouldn't be such a problem.

So when a new ERV incorporates into a genome, does it immediately have a function? When would a newly incorporated ERV be said to have a function, and what function would it serve.

Still no explanation for why an ERV would look either “young” or “old” depending upon how widely shared it is among the species or between species.

463 posted on 07/17/2009 10:03:05 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream
==So now you want to throw abiogenesis in with common descent rather than dealing with evolution.

That's a laugh. The Evos have been frantically searching for a materialistic origin of life scenario ever since Darwin. Of course, all of their efforts have been in vain. So instead, they have been forced to begin with the MIRACLE OF LIFE, and then pretend that it built-up from the first proto-cell to the mindbogglingly complex organisms we see today via RANDOM MUTATIONS plus “natural selection.” Complete hogwash.

==Evolution: genetic change of a population in response to environmental pressure.

So do you consider creatures that utilize their frontloaded program to adapt to changing environmental conditions as part of evolution? If not, then INTELLIGENT DESIGN= THE FRONTLOADED ABILITITY OF ORGANISMS TO EFFECT GENETIC CHANGE IN RESPONSE TO ENVIRONMENTAL PRESSURE.

==By suggesting that ERV’s act to increase genetic diversity and act to adapt a population to its environment you are signing on to them being an agent of evolution.

Wrong. I am signing on to them being an agent of God's intelligently designed creation.

==So is a population becoming better adapted to its environment evolution or de-evolution GGG? Is becoming better adapted to your environment “genomic degeneration”?

Random mutation almost always result in harmful genetic degeneration. I say almost always because there may occasional be some extremely trivial change that effects a benefit of some sort, but in virtually all cases, random mutations are harmful. This is even more evident now that we know that our genes are polycontrained.

==No, incorporation of an ERV is not extremely rare and it can be studied and even induced by infecting cells with an RNA virus.

I was not referring to incorporation in soma cells, I was specifically referring to germ cells.

==Despite your assertion that ERV insertion is all somehow preprogrammed and deterministic

I never used either word to describe insertion points. However, we do know that exogenous retroviruses prefer non-random hot spots. Surely you know this???

==So when a new ERV incorporates into a genome, does it immediately have a function? When would a newly incorporated ERV be said to have a function, and what function would it serve.

I believe ERVs and retroviruses were created with a purpose. And given all large scale functions we are finding for them, the purposes appear to be legion. However, I believe it is the frontloaded, organizing principle/software of the cell that decides what to do with them.

As for your old or young question, go back and reread my last reply.

466 posted on 07/17/2009 10:34:26 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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