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To: F15Eagle

With GPSs these things are relatively easy. You should see some of the corn mazes they come up with.


64 posted on 07/09/2009 6:00:38 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: stevio

Wrong.

Research the topic better.


75 posted on 07/09/2009 7:12:39 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: stevio

Some signs of authentic non-human hoaxed crop formations:

from:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread480030/pg1

Identifying REAL Crop Circles!!

Hello all! Im sure most of us are sick of all these repeated threads on crop circles, discussing their patterns, meanings, authenticity, etc....I posted this reply in another thread about finding out if these CC’s are legit, and thought it deserved its own thread. Here is my idea to determine man made or not!

1 - Radiation, clearly if these are made by boards and humanns, we arent really going to have anomalous radiation readings. Maybe there is a way to do this without having an ET UFO? Im not sure, tell me if you know!

2 - Stretched Nodes, i think this is the best way to determine if this is indeed a legit crop circle! How on Earth could men and women with boards do this? Changing the structure of the plant itself is incredible! Clearly something i doubt could be done overnight in a field.

3 - Buried plates, i also read of another case where golden and bronze plates were found under the crop circles with a design of the crop circle on the plates. Im not saying that these will be found on every crop circle, even if it has radiation and stretched nodes, but WHY NOT LOOK?!?!

These are 3 things I really look for in research of crop circles to determine their authenticity. I am not sure if the recent crop circles have been investigated by scientists or not, but i think it would be a great idea! How could we have this studied by scientists though..I think that is the main question. Any other input is welcome! Im looking for any other clues to determine authenticity.

Also, the ground is exceedingly dry.

And, there’s often microfine iron dust within the circles.

And, the seeds from within the circles sprout quicker, grow taller and are more drought resistant.


76 posted on 07/09/2009 7:17:49 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: stevio; F15Eagle; Quix; TaraP

You said — With GPSs these things are relatively easy. You should see some of the corn mazes they come up with.

I’m not exactly sure what you mean by using GPS with these things. If you mean using GPS (even from some expensive GPS device of maybe $500 or so) to make the patterns accurately on the ground, using GPS numbers to position key points in the pattern, no, that wouldn’t work.

You would only say so, never having used GPS for trying to actually map or pinpoint stuff on the ground. I have, and there is quite a bit of error in the GPS coordinates, if you’re wanting to really pinpoint things. It just doesn’t do that good of a job.

For example, the following is a chart of GPS errors which are introduced by various things.


Ionospheric effects — ± 5 meters
Shifts in the satellite orbits — ± 2.5 meter
Clock errors of the satellites’ clocks — ± 2 meter
Multipath effect — ± 1 meter
Tropospheric effects — ± 0.5 meter
Calculation- und rounding errors — ± 1 meter

Altogether this sums up to an error of ± 15 meters. With the SA still activated, the error was in the range of ± 100 Meter. Corrections by systems like WAAS and EGNOS, which mainly reduce ionospheric effects, but also improve orbits and clock errors, the overall error is reduced to approximately ± 3 - 5 meters.

[ http://www.kowoma.de/en/gps/errors.htm ]


My GPS device has WAAS built in... so I get the maximum correction possible.

The Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS) is a form of differential GPS (DGPS) giving enhanced position accuracy developed primarily for aeronautical navigation but usable by other users. Each Wide Area Reference Station (WRS) provides correction data to a Wide Area Master Station (WMS), which computes a grid of correction data to be uplinked to a geostationary satellite (GEO) via a Ground Earth Station (GES) in the Ground Uplink System (GUS). The geostationary satellite transmits the correction data (and also navigation data) to the user on the L1 GPS navigation frequency (1575.42 MHz). The user GPS receiver uses the downlink WAAS data to correct received navigation data. The goal of WAAS is to obtain at least a 7-meter horizontal and vertical accuracy.

[ http://users.erols.com/dlwilson/gpswaas.htm ]

So, some people with their GPS devices are going to be in an area of ± 15 meters, while I (and others) with WAAS are going to have an error of ± 3 - 5 meters.

Therefore, even with a highly accurate GPS with WAAS and an error of ± 3 - 5 meters — is going to put you off a possible *30 FEET* one way or the other...

That’s *way too much error* for constructing anything accurate, like what you see...

I’ve tried using GPS with WAAS and mapping stuff on the ground. It doesn’t work too well. What GPS works well in doing is navigating, but not putting you down on the ground to a precise location, unless you think 30 feet is precise enough for you. For me, that’s not precise enough for mapping something (on paper) that is on the ground — or vice versa — putting something that is on paper — “on the ground”...


167 posted on 07/11/2009 10:37:41 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: stevio

Here is the crop circle kit..............

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i8713


172 posted on 07/11/2009 11:01:42 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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