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Sub seen returning to Israel via Suez
The Jerusalem Post ^ | Jul 5, 2009 | YAAKOV KATZ AND JPOST.COM STAFF

Posted on 07/05/2009 6:04:38 PM PDT by forkinsocket

An IDF Navy Dolphin-class submarine that participated in maneuvers off the Eilat coast last week returned to Israel via the Suez Canal on Sunday according to witnesses' reports.

However, an Israeli defense official told Reuters there would be no permanent deployment in Eilat of the German-made submarines, of which the Navy has three, with two more on order.

"If anything, we are scaling down our naval operations in Eilat," the official was quoted as saying on Sunday.

A senior naval source explained that the "submarines need the open water, and that's just not available at Eilat."

"Also, the navy cannot take on the logistical burden of setting up two bases, with all the specialized needs in terms of equipment, maintenance crews and security safeguards, for a submarine fleet that, at most, will comprise five Dolphins," he told the news agency.

On Friday, The Jerusalem Post was first to reveal that in a possible signal to Iran, the Israeli Navy returned to sailing through the Suez Canal after a long hiatus, and recently sent an advanced submarine through the canal to participate in a drill in the Red Sea.

IDF sources said the decision to allow navy vessels to sail through the canal was made recently and was a definite "change of policy" within the service. In 2005, then OC Navy Adm. David Ben-Bashat decided to stop sending Israeli ships through the canal due to growing threats in the area.

However, the Dolphin-class submarine sailed through last month to get from the Mediterranean to the Red Sea. Israeli officials said it passed through the canal above water, and that it was not done covertly.

"It is a question of policy," a senior officer explained. "Navy vessels have sailed through the canal on several occasions recently."

The significance of the move was debatable, but it could be interpreted as a message to Iran and a demonstration of strengthening ties between Egypt and Israel.

In the event of a conflict with Iran, and if Israel decided to involve its three Dolphin-class submarines - which according to foreign reports can fire nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and serve as a second-strike platform - the quickest route would be to send them through the Suez Canal.

The only way to get to the Gulf of Oman without refueling would be to go through the canal. With their reported 4,500 nautical mile range, taking the long way, around Africa, would require the Dolphins to make at least two stops for refueling at a friendly port, or for fuel to be replenished at sea.


TOPICS: Israel
KEYWORDS: egypt; eilat; israel; suez
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1 posted on 07/05/2009 6:04:39 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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3 posted on 07/05/2009 6:19:44 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: forkinsocket

I’m a bit confused about this.

Why would Israel send “a message to Iran”. Iran wants nukes, end of story. Nothing (short of military action) will stop that. Iran does not care about Israel’s messages.

I would have thought that it is much better for Israel to keep several subs in Red Sea ready to strike Iran when needed. I don’t understand why Israel keeps subs in the Mediterranean (maybe the subs can launch ballistic missiles as easily from there too?).


4 posted on 07/05/2009 6:22:30 PM PDT by heiss
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To: heiss
’m a bit confused about this.

Why would Israel send “a message to Iran”.

Perhaps the Israeli sub really was on an exercise, and the veiled threats, including the Sunday Times report and Biden's appearance were simply the White House attempt to bang drums, loudly. A message that was probably as incoherent as their attempts at communications on many issues.

5 posted on 07/05/2009 7:06:28 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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Nifty way to swap out your patrolling subs.... one comes thru the canal as number xyz..... relieves sub number abc.. Sub number abc paints xyz on sail and returns thru the canal
6 posted on 07/05/2009 8:39:05 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: heiss
Why would Israel send “a message to Iran”. Iran wants nukes, end of story. Nothing (short of military action) will stop that. Iran does not care about Israel’s messages.

The message is simple: Israel is saying: We're not going to LET you get nuclear weapons and Egypt and Saudi Arabia don't WANT you to have nuclear weapons, so they won't stand in the way, either.
7 posted on 07/05/2009 11:49:14 PM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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There was no reason to move a sub through the Suez, then back. Like the "leaks" about Israeli use of Saudi airspace, the message being sent is that Egypt and the Saudis will support an Israeli strike.

8 posted on 07/06/2009 7:05:05 AM PDT by SJackson (the number-one job facing the middle class...a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S. Jobs)
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Strange how that works. Apparently, the Suadis and Egyptians recognize the same need for national survival. Now, if we can get Obama to recognize it, we’ll be making real progress.


9 posted on 07/06/2009 8:12:28 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama interfering in Israel but gives a green light to the mad mullahs to destroy Iranians.)
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