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Cap and Trade Extras (Energy Stamps)
WSB Radio ^ | 7/2/09 | Jamie Dupree

Posted on 07/05/2009 6:41:27 AM PDT by FlyVet

Jamie Dupree

Cap and Trade Extras

By Jamie Dupree

@ July 2, 2009 12:00 AM

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I know, I know. I'm probably boring you to death by going through the Cap and Trade bill with a fine tooth comb.

But today, let's talk about how it would direct money to the working poor in America.

On page 1193, the bill would add a section to the Social Security Act on an "Energy Refund Program."

Basically, those making no more than 150% of the poverty line, would get monthly cash payments from the government to offset the extra costs that are caused by this bill.

In other words, as your energy bill goes up, the feds will help offset that increase.

That would mean single individuals making about $17,000 a year and families of four with $33,000 in income would be eligible for energy payments.

The bill would also tinker with the Earned Income Tax Credit, by doubling the EITC for those with no dependents, and include an inflation adjustment. That's on page 1209.

Then there is an interesting section right after the EITC language, Sec. 433, "Protection of Social Security and Medicare Trust Funds."

From the way I read it, the administrators of Medicare and Social Security would be able to tap into general revenues of the U.S. Government, if it is determined that the Cap and Trade bill has resulted in a reduction of revenues going into those two trust funds.

Let's say that again. The chieftains of Medicare and Social Security would be able to lay claim to tax dollars to offset money that did NOT come into the trust funds because of a loss of jobs attributed to the Cap and Trade bill.

The goal is to "place the Trust Fund in the same position at the end of such fiscal year as the position in which it would have been if such changes had not occurred."

And by the way, this is one of those 20 sections in the bill where "such sums" as necessary would be authorized.

So let's just review these three items:

* Payments to those making up to 150% of the poverty line to offset the costs of the Cap & Trade bill

* A doubling of the EITC for low income workers with no dependents who qualify for aid

* An open-ended funding of Medicare and Social Security money to deal with job losses and lower tax revenues caused by Cap & Trade

Have you looked through any of this bill yet? What are you waiting for?

If you want to download the bill to look for yourself, then here is your link: http://bit.ly/nOeu2

Right click on it to save the file on your computer.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: captrade; eitc; energy; obama
What a nightmare. Our gubmint uses Cap and Trade to create poverty, then uses our money to buy votes from those whose lives are affected by this Globull Warming nonsense.

Heard about this today on the Watchdog on Wall Street radio program.

1 posted on 07/05/2009 6:41:27 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet

The people who are going to get screwed by cap and trade is Joe the plumber. Farmers are exempt from emissions caps, crony capitalists, fascists would be a more appropriate term considering how much they are in bed with gov’t, got their handouts, unions got their Davis-Bacon wages for any project including installing light bulbs, and the poor get bigger gov’t checks.


2 posted on 07/05/2009 6:48:39 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: FlyVet

Unfortunately, all of our lives will be affected by this crap. As I head toward retirement (maybe) in 8 - 10 years, our cost of energy will soar as will our taxes. And our taxes will flow directly to the leeches who will get this government largesse. It’s a double whammy — higher energy costs AND higher taxes to pay the higher energy costs of low-income schlubs. This is a complete man-caused disaster.


3 posted on 07/05/2009 6:48:44 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: FlyVet
"Basically, those making no more than 150% of the poverty line, would get monthly cash payments from the government"

Right; those people who vote D every election, have never held a real job, and live on welfare, food stamps, MediCaid, etc., are now going to get others' income taken and handed to them to pay for this boondoggle, too.

There is NO end to the wealth-redistribution schemes this Congress and this Kenyan/Non-U.S. natural born citizen will enact to satisfy the ignorant, illegals, and non-productive (see tagline).

4 posted on 07/05/2009 6:59:33 AM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gots to worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gots to buy no gas...Obama gonna take care o' me!")
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To: traditional1
Basically, those making no more than 150% of the poverty line, would get monthly cash payments from the government

Ahhh. So one of the tenents of the Fair Tax will be implemented. Interesting.

5 posted on 07/05/2009 7:01:54 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Running my computer bare naked for over a year with no infections at all.)
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To: FlyVet

This is too much, it’s time for Texas to bail.


6 posted on 07/05/2009 7:06:19 AM PDT by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: Big Giant Head

But with the fairtax, everyone gets the prebate.


7 posted on 07/05/2009 7:09:29 AM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: traditional1

Re: your tagline - seems like she was sorta right... meanwhile, all of us producers have to go back to work tomorrow (well, those who aren’t already working today).


8 posted on 07/05/2009 7:12:31 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: traditional1
There is NO end to the wealth-redistribution schemes this Congress and this Kenyan/Non-U.S. natural born citizen will enact to satisfy the ignorant, illegals, and non-productive (see tagline).

I refer to Zer0's wealth redistribution as STEALTH REPARATIONS.
9 posted on 07/05/2009 7:15:31 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: FlyVet

Does this apply to the non working poor?


10 posted on 07/05/2009 7:16:09 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: FlyVet
Let's say that again. The chieftains of Medicare and Social Security would be able to lay claim to tax dollars to offset money that did NOT come into the trust funds because of a loss of jobs attributed to the Cap and Trade bill.

But His Royal O-ness told us that there will be millions of new green energy jobs from cap-and-trade. Why would Medicare and SS need this line unless Obama was lying?

11 posted on 07/05/2009 7:21:34 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG, Chrysler and GM are what Marx meant by the means of production.)
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To: KarlInOhio

This smacks of Third World Socialism. Subsidize the cooking fuel of the poor..pretend to tax the rich while handing them big loans of govt money and starving the middle class and small business.


12 posted on 07/05/2009 7:38:35 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: FlyVet

Sounds like the prebate from the idiot ‘fairtax’


13 posted on 07/05/2009 7:46:38 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Big Giant Head

No the fair tax prebate is for every person & only covers what is paid in taxes for food water shelter to the poverty level NOT 150%of the poverty level.


14 posted on 07/05/2009 7:53:20 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: xcamel

Suggest you actually do some research into the fair tax . YOu might actually learn something.


15 posted on 07/05/2009 7:55:32 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: xcamel

Suggest you actually do some research into the fair tax . YOu might actually learn something.


16 posted on 07/05/2009 7:55:40 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: listenhillary

I understand, but they’re setting up the principle so that everyone will understand it.


17 posted on 07/05/2009 9:00:43 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Running my computer bare naked for over a year with no infections at all.)
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To: FlyVet

This is not the first time Liberals have pushed Cap and Trade down our throats.
Remember the Clean Air Act and Sulfur Emmissions?
You could buy Sulfur Credits from companies like Enron who claimed that the credits were the emmission surpluses from companies who didn’t polute as much.


18 posted on 07/05/2009 1:25:02 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama = Trickle Up Poverty)
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To: Nebr FAL owner

I suggest you might learn how not to double post - it make you look twice as stupid.


19 posted on 07/06/2009 3:34:52 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: C19fan
I found this web site called TerraPass where one can compute their carbon usage. I played the game and for only $202.00 I can buy carbon credits for the extra carbon my car uses by not driving a more fuel efficient car. I couldn't believe the BS. You can plug in figures for trips, auto usage, motel room use and home energy use to calculate your carbon. You can send them money, too. Personally, I do not plan to buy air out of a can.
20 posted on 07/07/2009 1:39:14 PM PDT by Bronzy
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