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Confederation CUP: USA vs Brazil - Live Thread [USA 2 BRAZIL 3]
Vanity | June 28, 2009 | Vanity

Posted on 06/28/2009 12:05:03 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

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To: GOPmember

...And another idiot makes himself known on FR. And by the way, even my 4 year old knows that Obama is a huge basketball fan. Any more stupidity you’d like to add today?


101 posted on 06/28/2009 2:29:08 PM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: Richard Kimball
That certainly would end the "play to lose" attitude that last place teams have at the end of their seasons.

Yes, you have your champions, but could you imagine the bottom three or four teams actually having to win at the end of the season so that they stay in the Major Leagues, NBA, etc?

As a benefit the "high draft picks for worst team" scenario would end. If you want to play in the top league, you better do your d@mndest to keep your team competive. Instead we have some owners sitting on their money. As long as fans come into the stadium, regardless of how bad the teams are, the owner wins (again, look at the Chicago Cubs over the years).

Promotion and relegation sounds odd to most people that are familiar with only American sports, but to me, it is much more capitalist-based than the way American sports are set up now.

I'm sure even ones who don't like soccer could see the benefits in a system like that.

102 posted on 06/28/2009 2:37:16 PM PDT by PallMal
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To: safeasthebanks

I’m so very sorry I offended your sensibilities because you happen to disagree with me. I can imagine that you’re writhing around on the ground in pain right now, just like your metrosexual soccer heroes.


103 posted on 06/28/2009 2:41:47 PM PDT by GOPmember
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To: GOPmember
In regard to the contention that dives in "modern day" soccer are frowned upon, I again respond with a haughty LOL!

And in the very first clip, you see the other player getting upset that the player took a dive, which bolsters what I stated. Did you watch the clip?

104 posted on 06/28/2009 2:48:35 PM PDT by PallMal
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To: Eurotwit

Gay. . .fighting dirty means fighting like a woman.


105 posted on 06/28/2009 2:51:44 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: PallMal
You make a valid argument. Though, I'll still argue that the actual goings on during the game of soccer go against the American ideal that one is rewarded for one's work and that one should work for what one receives.

Granted, I'm exaggerating a bit and don't really believe that soccer hasn't caught on in the USA because it doesn't fit with our "capitalist ideal". I think it hasn't caught on because it's typically boring as hell.

For those Americans who love boring spectator sports, baseball is already firmly entrenched in our culture. And, if that's not boring enough, there's always golf. So, there's really no need for a third one.
106 posted on 06/28/2009 2:52:58 PM PDT by GOPmember
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To: dfwgator

Matches like this will elevate our game. Playing against world class players always pushes you to extremes. CONCACAF is not at that level so it often Mexico, T&T, and USA.

I agree on Azteca.


107 posted on 06/28/2009 2:54:30 PM PDT by Betis70 (Keep working serf, Zero's in charge)
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To: GOPmember

Do you know why futbol is a big success in the third world?

EQUIPMENT


108 posted on 06/28/2009 2:55:05 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski
As in, "you don't need any to play"?

If that's what you're stating, I think that is a big part of it. Just a field and a ball, and you're good to go.

Though, that doesn't explain the absolute fervor for the sport which exists in Latin America and in much of Europe.
109 posted on 06/28/2009 2:59:19 PM PDT by GOPmember
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To: PallMal

I’d LOVE to see promotion/relegation applied to any of the major sports here.

Baseball and Hockey seem like the two sports that could incorporate such a system most easily—they both have very deep minor league systems similar to most Euro leagues.

Football and Basketball would need to develop proper minor league systems—colleges generally take that role now.


110 posted on 06/28/2009 2:59:39 PM PDT by Betis70 (Keep working serf, Zero's in charge)
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To: GOPmember

Literally, each village needs basically:

one ball

four tall sticks

two long pieces of string.

The rest is sportsmanship.

Look, I only watch futbol once every four years, but even though I don’t follow it, I get it.


111 posted on 06/28/2009 3:01:07 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: GOPmember
I found the games painfully aggravating.

I depends who is playing, A good EPL match between Manchester United and Chelsea, for example is as riveting as any NFL game.

But if they players on the pitch aren't particularly talented, it can be tough to watch. But I could say the very same thing about any sport.

112 posted on 06/28/2009 3:03:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GOPmember

LOL, I don’t really like baseball or golf, so maybe that is why I can enjoy soccer. :)

I agree that many matches can be terribly boring, but tournaments like this are great fun to watch.

Then again I am a rabid hockey fan, and other than motor sports, everything else seems like it is being played in slow motion.


113 posted on 06/28/2009 3:03:41 PM PDT by Betis70 (Keep working serf, Zero's in charge)
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To: Betis70

I think eventually will happen with soccer. You’ve got the USL which could merge with the MLS, and give us essentially a First and Second Division. I think it will happen within the next few years.


114 posted on 06/28/2009 3:05:44 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

It’s a bit fun that. Even in my old 8 division outfit here, we’re part of the fifa system. If we kept winning, given a few years we could contest the Champions League finals :-P


115 posted on 06/28/2009 3:10:10 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: dfwgator

NFL is probably the most popular US sport, so I have never figured out why there is no minor league. There are certainly plenty of college players, and people love the sport itself. Heck my local college, a pretty poor Div I team (UConn), is able to pack in 50K+ at their stadium.

Maybe the NCAA wouldn’t put with the competition.


116 posted on 06/28/2009 3:13:20 PM PDT by Betis70 (Keep working serf, Zero's in charge)
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To: Eurotwit

I could see where the UEFA Champions League has gotten so big, that it now transcends Europe, even here in the US the Final gets high ratings for soccer.

So I could see them potentially expanding it to include clubs from other continents, say having a home and home between the CONCACAF Champions League winner vs the Liberatadores Cup winner for a spot in the Group Stage.

Of course travel would be thorny, but I like the idea of having a true world-wide club championship.


117 posted on 06/28/2009 3:14:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Betis70

I think the reason for that is the shortness of NFL careers, the average NFL career is only something like three years. So if a player spends only two years in the minors, they would be damaged goods by the time they would finally make it to the NFL.


118 posted on 06/28/2009 3:16:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: safeasthebanks

No amount of talking will get through to them. They don’t want to enjoy it.

To all the non-fans who feel the need to express their non-fanship:

My family watched the game with me but my six year old girl was complaining about being board and wanting someone to play with her. I told her no, the game was on. Then she started to pout and cry. I told her to go upstairs to her room if she wanted to cry because she was ruining the game for the rest of us.

So let me say the same to all you expressive non-fans, if you want to cry, go somewhere else.


119 posted on 06/28/2009 3:39:44 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi
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To: PallMal
I agree. When Barry Sanders retired, he said one of the biggest reasons was that as long as he was a drawing card for the Lions they had no interest in developing a winning team. They knew Sanders would fill the stadium.

As a football fan, I love the game, but dislike the way the NFL runs. The owners keep the number of teams slightly below the available market in order to create pressure on local cities to make concessions. If the market demand were met, teams couldn't get luxury boxes by threatening to move.

120 posted on 06/28/2009 4:00:31 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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